Possible rebuild issues.
05-21-2012, 11:41 PM
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Possible rebuild issues. Ok,so I burned the 3-4 clutches.
That's it.
I get the buddy deal from a 30yr asc mechanic(transmissions) works for the dealership. ACE MECHANIC.
Anyways.
Rebuilds trans,tear it apart to find
1-Filter was clean but had dust on top of it like it had been sitting on the shelf.(whatever)
2-(3-4 clutches) has 3 regular style, 1 High Energy, 2 Clutches that have the groves in them.(looks like somebody ran out of a complete set)
3-stock sun shell
4-stock sprags with a little wear
5-Reused some reverse clutches (no big deal)
6-no visible shift kit
$750 later
There might be a $150 in parts give or take.
I feel like I'm being screwed with out any spit.
That's it.
I get the buddy deal from a 30yr asc mechanic(transmissions) works for the dealership. ACE MECHANIC.
Anyways.
Rebuilds trans,tear it apart to find
1-Filter was clean but had dust on top of it like it had been sitting on the shelf.(whatever)
2-(3-4 clutches) has 3 regular style, 1 High Energy, 2 Clutches that have the groves in them.(looks like somebody ran out of a complete set)
3-stock sun shell
4-stock sprags with a little wear
5-Reused some reverse clutches (no big deal)
6-no visible shift kit
$750 later
There might be a $150 in parts give or take.
I feel like I'm being screwed with out any spit.
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05-22-2012, 07:11 AM
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1.you will burn the same clutches up again
2. you most likely break the stock sunshell
3.IMO a shift kit will make the trans last longer
4. I would install a trans cooler if you dont already have one.
5.I would be demanding 500.00 back.
2. you most likely break the stock sunshell
3.IMO a shift kit will make the trans last longer
4. I would install a trans cooler if you dont already have one.
5.I would be demanding 500.00 back.
05-22-2012, 04:33 PM
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What prompted you to tear down a fresh built transmission? Did the place seem shady right away?
05-22-2012, 06:15 PM
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had this happen to me. some douchebag fucked it up then refused to do anything.
id like to pour gas on him light it and put it out by pissing on his dead body.
but if hes a friend he should work with you but youd be surprised who your friends really are when it comes to **** like this.
tell him he screwed it up and youd like your money back. nice at first then not so nice when he starts BSing you.
id like to pour gas on him light it and put it out by pissing on his dead body.
but if hes a friend he should work with you but youd be surprised who your friends really are when it comes to **** like this.
tell him he screwed it up and youd like your money back. nice at first then not so nice when he starts BSing you.
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05-22-2012, 07:36 PM
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I'm sure that mixing different types of 3/4 clutches is a very bad idea. Get a set for a 4L65E as they have 7 frictions instead of 6. I am using Raybestos GPZ105 (and/or GPZ100) which Raybestos says is the same material as the Z-pak, but in a sturdier unit.
The 2002+ stock sunshell should be fine as they were strengthen and heat treated.
Way to tell - the tabs are discolored (bluish) from the heat treating.
With a mix of 3/4 clutches, everything is suspect.
The 2002+ stock sunshell should be fine as they were strengthen and heat treated.
Way to tell - the tabs are discolored (bluish) from the heat treating.
With a mix of 3/4 clutches, everything is suspect.
05-22-2012, 08:46 PM
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Minor point - ask what "new pump" means. Most likely just the internal rotating pump parts, which cost $40 as a kit. (If trans is apart, easy to check/confirm that too.)
Another point - ask to see the receipts for the new planets; or did he steal them from the dealership.
Major point - if you really want to play hard ball, threaten to report him to the dealership. He might not be allowed to do such "paid" work on the side, and could either lose his job or be reprimanded for it. Unless of course he pays you back or builds a good trans with good parts. Just remember that any threats can backfire, especially threats to someone's livelihood.
Another point - ask to see the receipts for the new planets; or did he steal them from the dealership.
Major point - if you really want to play hard ball, threaten to report him to the dealership. He might not be allowed to do such "paid" work on the side, and could either lose his job or be reprimanded for it. Unless of course he pays you back or builds a good trans with good parts. Just remember that any threats can backfire, especially threats to someone's livelihood.
05-22-2012, 08:46 PM
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Minor point - ask what "new pump" means. Most likely just the internal rotating pump parts, which cost $40 as a kit. (If trans is apart, easy to check/confirm that too.)
Another point - ask to see the receipts for the new planets; or did he steal them from the dealership.
Major point - if you really want to play hard ball, threaten to report him to the dealership. He might not be allowed to do such "paid" work on the side, and could either lose his job or be reprimanded for it. Unless of course he pays you back or builds a good trans with good parts. Just remember that any threats can backfire, especially threats to someone's livelihood.
Another point - ask to see the receipts for the new planets; or did he steal them from the dealership.
Major point - if you really want to play hard ball, threaten to report him to the dealership. He might not be allowed to do such "paid" work on the side, and could either lose his job or be reprimanded for it. Unless of course he pays you back or builds a good trans with good parts. Just remember that any threats can backfire, especially threats to someone's livelihood.
05-22-2012, 08:57 PM
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Minor point - ask what "new pump" means. Most likely just the internal rotating pump parts, which cost $40 as a kit. (If trans is apart, easy to check/confirm that too.)
Another point - ask to see the receipts for the new planets; or did he steal them from the dealership.
Major point - if you really want to play hard ball, threaten to report him to the dealership. He might not be allowed to do such "paid" work on the side, and could either lose his job or be reprimanded for it. Unless of course he pays you back or builds a good trans with good parts. Just remember that any threats can backfire, especially threats to someone's livelihood.
Another point - ask to see the receipts for the new planets; or did he steal them from the dealership.
Major point - if you really want to play hard ball, threaten to report him to the dealership. He might not be allowed to do such "paid" work on the side, and could either lose his job or be reprimanded for it. Unless of course he pays you back or builds a good trans with good parts. Just remember that any threats can backfire, especially threats to someone's livelihood.
the pump is not new,obviously.
i dont want the guy to be out any money but when im told this transmission is 600hp capable and i want my transmission guy to see what that consist of then i have the right to show him.
when my guy says he just put in mismatched clutches and new 1-2 clutches and seals and gaskets and a $40 pump kit i have reason to doubt the 600hp transmission build.
the sprags even have some good wear in them the planets have some slight wear in them as well.
but im being told these parts are new, I CALL BS
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05-22-2012, 09:22 PM
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Yes, it is BS.
At a minimum, you would use 5 gear planetaries, the best Borg Warner dual-cage sprags, a Sonnax sunshell or The Beast, premium 7 or 8 friction 3/4 clutch, and a quality shift kit. A reinforced input drum with electro-hardened input shaft would be highly recommended for 600HP (or ft/lbs).
At a minimum, you would use 5 gear planetaries, the best Borg Warner dual-cage sprags, a Sonnax sunshell or The Beast, premium 7 or 8 friction 3/4 clutch, and a quality shift kit. A reinforced input drum with electro-hardened input shaft would be highly recommended for 600HP (or ft/lbs).
05-22-2012, 09:32 PM
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Yes, it is BS.
At a minimum, you would use 5 gear planetaries, the best Borg Warner dual-cage sprags, a Sonnax sunshell or The Beast, premium 7 or 8 friction 3/4 clutch, and a quality shift kit. A reinforced input drum with electro-hardened input shaft would be highly recommended for 600HP (or ft/lbs).
At a minimum, you would use 5 gear planetaries, the best Borg Warner dual-cage sprags, a Sonnax sunshell or The Beast, premium 7 or 8 friction 3/4 clutch, and a quality shift kit. A reinforced input drum with electro-hardened input shaft would be highly recommended for 600HP (or ft/lbs).
saturday all parties are all suppose to meet up.
5 gear planetaries is what i thought was going in initially,but then was told "na not that needed" thats really when i got a little confused/concerned.
i have known my transmission man for 10yrs and i know more about transmission work than most folks but no pro by any means.
but damn i know that i know that i know, that i shouldnt have gone through with the deal,but i went against my better judge meant.
shame on me
05-22-2012, 09:57 PM
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GM uses the 4L65E/4L70E, which have 5-gear planetaries and a hardened input shaft, on all engines with 400+ ft/lbs. As I mentioned in other threads, even the GM/ACDeleco 5-gear planetaries are not all that expensive right now - gmpartsdirect sells them for $70-$80 and many dealers will match that. Also available on Amazon.com for an even better price.
And yes, you are partly at fault too for expecting a premium product at a bargain price. (How do I say that nicely.) With a smile?
And yes, you are partly at fault too for expecting a premium product at a bargain price. (How do I say that nicely.) With a smile?
05-22-2012, 10:11 PM
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GM uses the 4L65E/4L70E, which have 5-gear planetaries and a hardened input shaft, on all engines with 400+ ft/lbs. As I mentioned in other threads, even the GM/ACDeleco 5-gear planetaries are not all that expensive right now - gmpartsdirect sells them for $70-$80 and many dealers will match that. Also available on Amazon.com for an even better price.
And yes, you are partly at fault too for expecting a premium product at a bargain price. (How do I say that nicely.) With a smile?
And yes, you are partly at fault too for expecting a premium product at a bargain price. (How do I say that nicely.) With a smile?
are planet parts true gm parts or repops?
05-22-2012, 10:17 PM
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YES. gmpartsdirect is a GM dealer, they only will sell genuine parts.
The part numbers are:
24241248 - Front
24241244 - Rear
Look those up on Amazon and be amazed ($65 and $75). Clearly marked as ACDelco and sold directly from Amazon. Or pay a few dollars more and get them from gmpartsdirect.com.
The part numbers are:
24241248 - Front
24241244 - Rear
Look those up on Amazon and be amazed ($65 and $75). Clearly marked as ACDelco and sold directly from Amazon. Or pay a few dollars more and get them from gmpartsdirect.com.
05-22-2012, 10:23 PM
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YES. gmpartsdirect is a GM dealer, they only will sell genuine parts.
The part numbers are:
24241248 - Front
24241244 - Rear
Look those up on Amazon and be amazed ($65 and $75). Clearly marked as ACDelco and sold directly from Amazon. Or pay a few dollars more and get them from gmpartsdirect.com.
The part numbers are:
24241248 - Front
24241244 - Rear
Look those up on Amazon and be amazed ($65 and $75). Clearly marked as ACDelco and sold directly from Amazon. Or pay a few dollars more and get them from gmpartsdirect.com.
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My local trans shop said the hard parts from Transtar tend to be Chinese aftermarket parts. Also, I had them order some parts for me from Transtar and when I looked at the invoice, they were more expensive than places like http://www.transmissionpartsusa.com.
like i said i will do some research on the other hard parts and hopefully i get some money back from the first builder on Saturday.
he reused all my hard parts and is trying to say the parts are all new.
i cant wait to see the outcome on Saturday.
thanks again
Ed
