Yank SS3800E and 200 shot.
06-24-2004, 07:56 AM
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Yank SS3800E and 200 shot. I think I have picked my new convertor. I will be Spraying a 150-200 shot. TNT wet kit. I think this convertor should rock on spray. I currently have a TP4400 convertor in my car. I run 11.27 at 119mph with a 1.51 60 ft. I have heads and cam. How much do ya think I'll lose on motor with this convertor. I'm getting a good deal on the convertor that I can't pass up. I might have it restall to a SS4000E.
06-24-2004, 01:46 PM
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Yes you would. We're only talking about 200 RPM though. You can't have THE BEST of both worlds but the SS4000E is as close as you can get, IMO. The SS4000 converter works well for my heads/cam car. 
I think you should try it out at 3800 first though. I bet you'll LOVE it on the street and it may surprise you at the track. You won't know unless you try. 
I think you should try it out at 3800 first though. I bet you'll LOVE it on the street and it may surprise you at the track. You won't know unless you try. 
06-25-2004, 12:33 AM
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Well I had an SS3800 coming out of hole on a 200 shot and the best 60 I could get was a 1.6 and my car is fairly light 3340 LBS and I have a pretty good suspension set up . I was blowing right thru the converter it had to much shift extension on the bottle, it wouldn't go under 6400 RPM. I was very disappointed in that converter. BTW, mine had the posi lock up clutch even though it was just an SS3800.
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06-25-2004, 12:26 PM
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Elite, something doesn't add up. You say 1.6s on a 200 shot. It's obvious that you had some sort of problem. Tranny slippage, TRACTION issues, I dunno.
"I was blowing right through the converter." "It had no shift extension at all." I'm confused by these two statements. They seem to be saying the exact opposite. Which was it? If it was "blowing through the converter" then it would have TOO MUCH shift extension (meaning that the RPMs would stay too high after the shifts.) If it had no shift extension then it would be pulling the RPMs back really far on the shifts which is exactly what you should want when spraying a 200 shot.
"it would go under 6400 RPM."
Are you saying that you wanted the RPMs to stay above 6400...while spraying? Surely that's not what you meant. Why would you want that? And why would you expect that a 3800 stall would give a 6400 shift extension? If it did do that then something would be bad wrong with it.
"I was blowing right through the converter." "It had no shift extension at all." I'm confused by these two statements. They seem to be saying the exact opposite. Which was it? If it was "blowing through the converter" then it would have TOO MUCH shift extension (meaning that the RPMs would stay too high after the shifts.) If it had no shift extension then it would be pulling the RPMs back really far on the shifts which is exactly what you should want when spraying a 200 shot.
"it would go under 6400 RPM."
Are you saying that you wanted the RPMs to stay above 6400...while spraying? Surely that's not what you meant.
Why would you want that? And why would you expect that a 3800 stall would give a 6400 shift extension? If it did do that then something would be bad wrong with it.
06-25-2004, 06:26 PM
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I corrected my statement. It had to much shift extension, It wouldn't come down below 6400RPM after shifting.
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Elite, something doesn't add up. You say 1.6s on a 200 shot. It's obvious that you had some sort of problem. Tranny slippage, TRACTION issues, I dunno.
"I was blowing right through the converter." "It had no shift extension at all." I'm confused by these two statements. They seem to be saying the exact opposite. Which was it? If it was "blowing through the converter" then it would have TOO MUCH shift extension (meaning that the RPMs would stay too high after the shifts.) If it had no shift extension then it would be pulling the RPMs back really far on the shifts which is exactly what you should want when spraying a 200 shot.
"it would go under 6400 RPM."
Are you saying that you wanted the RPMs to stay above 6400...while spraying? Surely that's not what you meant. Why would you want that? And why would you expect that a 3800 stall would give a 6400 shift extension? If it did do that then something would be bad wrong with it.
"I was blowing right through the converter." "It had no shift extension at all." I'm confused by these two statements. They seem to be saying the exact opposite. Which was it? If it was "blowing through the converter" then it would have TOO MUCH shift extension (meaning that the RPMs would stay too high after the shifts.) If it had no shift extension then it would be pulling the RPMs back really far on the shifts which is exactly what you should want when spraying a 200 shot.
"it would go under 6400 RPM."
Are you saying that you wanted the RPMs to stay above 6400...while spraying? Surely that's not what you meant.
Why would you want that? And why would you expect that a 3800 stall would give a 6400 shift extension? If it did do that then something would be bad wrong with it.
06-25-2004, 06:57 PM
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Wow, that's very odd. A properly working converter that tight should NOT do that.
Elite, you mentioned a 200 shot. You saw 1.6s both NA and on the bottle, is that right? And you say there was no spinning in either case? Transbrake, 200 shot out of the hole, 3.06 1st gear, no spinning, but yet only 1.6s. Something wasn't working right with that converter or, perhaps more likely, the tranny. A 200 shot should make a heckuva difference in your 60ft regardless of converter.
Elite, you mentioned a 200 shot. You saw 1.6s both NA and on the bottle, is that right? And you say there was no spinning in either case? Transbrake, 200 shot out of the hole, 3.06 1st gear, no spinning, but yet only 1.6s. Something wasn't working right with that converter or, perhaps more likely, the tranny. A 200 shot should make a heckuva difference in your 60ft regardless of converter.
06-26-2004, 02:18 PM
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I don't know what was wrong with it, we sent it back to Mike to change the stall, he went thru it, freshened it up and I sold it because I decided to go with a TH-400. I was going thru 3-4 clutch packs about every 7-8 passes with the 4L60e. It's all good now, low 1.4's with the PI 4000 stall and the TH-400. Last 1/4 mile pass a 10.08@136.7 spinning. 8's to come soon.
Originally Posted by Colonel
Wow, that's very odd. A properly working converter that tight should NOT do that.
Elite, you mentioned a 200 shot. You saw 1.6s both NA and on the bottle, is that right? And you say there was no spinning in either case? Transbrake, 200 shot out of the hole, 3.06 1st gear, no spinning, but yet only 1.6s. Something wasn't working right with that converter or, perhaps more likely, the tranny. A 200 shot should make a heckuva difference in your 60ft regardless of converter.
Elite, you mentioned a 200 shot. You saw 1.6s both NA and on the bottle, is that right? And you say there was no spinning in either case? Transbrake, 200 shot out of the hole, 3.06 1st gear, no spinning, but yet only 1.6s. Something wasn't working right with that converter or, perhaps more likely, the tranny. A 200 shot should make a heckuva difference in your 60ft regardless of converter.
06-28-2004, 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Elite_Hot_Rod
I don't know what was wrong with it, we sent it back to Mike to change the stall, he went thru it, freshened it up and I sold it because I decided to go with a TH-400. I was going thru 3-4 clutch packs about every 7-8 passes with the 4L60e. It's all good now, low 1.4's with the PI 4000 stall and the TH-400. Last 1/4 mile pass a 10.08@136.7 spinning. 8's to come soon.
