Blksilvr

iTrader: (16)

I just finished changing my tansmission fluid and filter on my 4L60E. I bought a transmission gasket, filter, and oring seal kit along with the tranny fluid from Advance. I had no problems with anything except for the the filter seal . The new one that came with the kit is a metal ring with a rubber seal . It looks like there is nothing inside the tranny. The new filter seal will not fit in the hole. I then inserted the new filter which fit ok, but is loose & falls out.
Any ideas on what I should do? Thanks for any feedback.


attached pic of trans where the filter & seal go
also pic of filter & the only seal ( other than pan gasket )that came in the kit

nikon1999

iTrader: (22)

well first off are you sure you got the old filter seal out? They usually are a pia... If you did are you sure you have the right filter/filter seal (compare to the old ones) whenever i put a new filter in you have to give it a good push to pop it into the seal properly otherwise it will just pop out...

Blksilvr

iTrader: (16)

I do beleive I got the old seal out . I can put the filter in , push it all the way up and when I let go ,the filter falls down . I tried to take a pic but the camara flash not working to well

Gilbert@Ace Racing

Well when the filter is out and you are looking into the mounting hole... where the seal is... are you looking at aluminum or black rubber molded to a steel insert.

As previously stated those inserts are not fun to remove... even with the right tools... I have never seen one fall out and you did not say it was a pita to get out so i doubt it has been removed.

The filter will lay flush against the valve body when inserted properly. It is an interference fit so you might have to wiggle it while pushing smartly to install it. It will not lay properly if 2 inserts are used... 1 in the case and 1 on the filter.

g

The1N_only

iTrader: (7)

i usually take a punch and hit it, it will spin and you can pry it out... its not hard

Blksilvr

iTrader: (16)

i have attached pic
please look at them & give me your opinon

Thx

nikon1999

iTrader: (22)

well the pics are tough to tell, but the filter/seal look correct and it does look like you got the old seal out. When you put the new seal in everyone says you can push them in by hand, but i've always had to tap it in carefully (find a socket the diameter and line it up straight/tap with hammer)

Blksilvr

iTrader: (16)

When I try to put the new seal in , I trird to it in by hand, no luck, I triedb to tap it in with a socket & hammer but I still would not go in

8a8mfh

iTrader: (3)

I think it was already said but make sure the steel part of the old seal came out and not just the rubber. The new seal needs to be tapped in and this can be difficult.

Gilbert@Ace Racing

The seal insert can be difficult to replace when laying on your back. It is an interference fit... some force is required.

The seal goes into the trans first.... then install the filter. They don't go up together.

g

joecar

From your pic, it looks like the seal is still in the hole (see how the hole appears to have a "sleeve"), but the steel portion of it is missing the lip on it's bottom side (the lip prevents it from bottoming out in the hole).

You may need a small slide hammer with a hook tool to puill that out...
or you could try carefully tapping a pic in between the seal and the hole, and deform the seal enough to yank it out using needle node pliers... but be very careful to minimize damage to the hole.

PBA

From your picture, the seal is removed. You have to install the new seal by putting a little oil on the outside of the seal to make installation a little smoother. Install by using a socket that is slightly bigger than the seal, and make sure the socket will clear the case where you put the seal in. Take a hammer & hit the socket square on the lip of the seal easily, until it is flush with the front pump. Put a few drops of oil on the filter tube and slowly work in the filter. That's it.

Blksilvr

iTrader: (16)

Well guys I got it in . I took my magnet placed it at the hole ,it didn't stick so the metal seal was out .Took a rubber hammer & socket to get it in . Thx for everyone's feedback.

Thx's guy's

FLT

iTrader: (1)

I use a driver or socket with a dead blow/rubber mallet. Sorry I have been away and just read this but you did it exactly as I do every day. Nice job.

1hotls1

iTrader: (6)

I recently changed my fluid and filter and the car seemed to shift fine after, but on the first road trip I made, after about 45 miles the tranny made some slight noise so I stopped and checked the fluid. The level was fine, but I headed home. The noise and slight shudder had happened running about 80mph, but on the way home I stayed around 60 with no problems. Pulled the pan today and the filter seemed to be securely in place. Any ideas?

nikon1999

iTrader: (22)

good deal! i was leary about how much force i could put on everything the first time i did it, it looks so delicate.. now your a pro

Lt1Porsche

iTrader: (6)

I recently changed my fluid and filter. i used a tiny screw driver to bend the edge of the ring back then grabbed it with a pair of needle nose pliars and it came out in about 5 mins. no damage to the trans at all. but do be careful. but as 1hotls1 strated i too experienced a shudder at 80mph but found out it was strictly rpm related. 2000-2300rpms. not trying to hi-jack the thread or anything but this issue is why i am currently on the computer. I believe the issue is my torque convertor. problem occures in nuetral as well. Shudder did occur before the fluid change. Any ideas. But back to the issue at hand. It appears that the seal is no longer in the trans and i have this thought because A: thats the way it looks, but also B: I do not believe the new filter would fall out if the seal was still in the trans and has not been tampered with or distorted. How many miles? The car calls for fluid change every 30000 miles so to me it looks like it was left out from the last time. I have always had to tap in the seal with a socket as stated for a brass punch. Just a few minutes of very light taps. Pushing it in by hand sounds like a bunch of BS to me.