Go Back   LS1TECH > CHASSIS, SUSPENSION, APPEARANCE > Automatic Transmission
Sign in using an external account
Register Forgot Password?
Register iTraderTimeslips Photos Members Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Used CarsVendor Directory
Search

Automatic Transmission
4L60E | 4L80E | TH350 | TH400 | TH2004R | Powerglide | Converters | Shift Kits
Sponsored by
PerformaBuilt Transmissions

Welcome to LS1Tech.com!
Welcome to LS1Tech.com.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, at no cost, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, join LS1Tech.com today!


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 08-14-2007, 03:45 PM   #1
Teching In
Garage is empty, add now
 
Trader Rating: 2
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 5
Default 4l60E No 3rd and 4th gear

Im new to this forum. I have used a lot of info on ???????????. Great guys over there. I recently posted a thread about my cars problem on their website, and after talking to a few members, one of em told me i should ask you guys for more advice. So here goes:

A couple of months ago my car stopped shifting into 3rd or 4th. Up until then i had never had ANY problems with the tranny. No slippage what so ever. I came home from work, still with no problem, stopped the motor there for aprox 10 mins and after i started it up again it wouldnt shift anymore. The tranny had quite a few miles on it already and everybody kept telling me it was the clutch pack, so i didnt think twice about ordering a new one from PerformaBuilt. I installed the new tranny, hoping my problem would be solved, but the new tranny did the EXACT same thing.

tranny shift fine first 2 gears but when it tries to shift into 3rd it just lets go and the engine revs freely. hooked up a snap on scanner and everything looks ok. The scanner indicates that the solenoids are switching, but the tranny doesnt shift.

So.. anybody got any suggestions? Thanks in advence

My car is a 94 LT1 with a 4L60E trans and it has a madtuner tune in it. Hope this helps
juanitowieler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-14-2007, 04:35 PM   #2
LS1TECH & Trucks Sponsor
Garage is empty, add now
 
performabuilt's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: 24
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: SUGAR LOAF PA
Posts: 10,363
Send a message via AIM to performabuilt Send a message via MSN to performabuilt Send a message via Yahoo to performabuilt
Default

Did I speak with you about unhooking the harness to verify third gear is capable with the trans. Im sure it is but dont want to leave any stones unturned for you?
__________________
Call
888-744-6542
or text ? to
570-578-5686
2yr Wrty Trans/conv combos. $995 Refresh after wrty, No Core , Dyno test.$50 off trans if "LIKE" us on FaceBook ! Trans now ship 1-5 business days of order. Click logo for website.
performabuilt is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-14-2007, 06:54 PM   #3
TECH Fanatic
Garage is empty, add now
 
Arc00TA's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: 17
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: The 'Nard
Posts: 1,733
Default

juanito you made it over here! Hopefully these guys have a better idea than me.
Arc00TA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-14-2007, 06:58 PM   #4
LS1TECH & Trucks Sponsor
Garage is empty, add now
 
Trader Rating: 0
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 380
Default

if you unhooked the harness and have third gear you have a goofy electrical problem in the car
__________________

Free Cooler, Free shipping always, 2 year warranty Trans/Coverter combos, No Core or Core charge, $150 LS1 core buy back, All trans Dyno Tested to Be sure it works when you get it.Customer videos, Tech Thread, Open 7 Days a Week! Call or Click Banner for Website.
Not Just Built.....PerformaBuilt!

performabuilt2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-14-2007, 07:21 PM   #5
TECH Fanatic
Garage is empty, add now
 
Arc00TA's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: 17
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: The 'Nard
Posts: 1,733
Default

He said he did when I asked him that before.
Arc00TA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-14-2007, 07:36 PM   #6
LS1TECH & Trucks Sponsor
Garage is empty, add now
 
performabuilt's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: 24
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: SUGAR LOAF PA
Posts: 10,363
Send a message via AIM to performabuilt Send a message via MSN to performabuilt Send a message via Yahoo to performabuilt
Default

Well if the original trans did it and the new trans does the same and when unplugging the harness makes it default to third, I would look that wiring in the harness first possibly the wire to the 2-3 solenoid shorted , or possibly a bad driver in the PCM would be a possibility.if either was the case you would get 1-2-2 then when the 1-2 solenoid came back on for 4th you would get 1st which would feel like neutral at the speed the shift would occur.I would tend to lean toward there being a short in the wiring to or the PCM for the wire to the 2-3 solenoid.
__________________
Call
888-744-6542
or text ? to
570-578-5686
2yr Wrty Trans/conv combos. $995 Refresh after wrty, No Core , Dyno test.$50 off trans if "LIKE" us on FaceBook ! Trans now ship 1-5 business days of order. Click logo for website.
performabuilt is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-14-2007, 10:11 PM   #7
9 Second Club
Garage is empty, add now
 
LS1Queen's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: 1
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Vidalia, Ga.
Posts: 505
Send a message via AIM to LS1Queen
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arc00TA
He said he did when I asked him that before.

So he had 3rd when it was unplugged?
__________________
myspace.com/LS1Queen


440LSX
LS1Queen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-14-2007, 11:01 PM   #8
LS1TECH & Trucks Sponsor
Garage is empty, add now
 
performabuilt's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: 24
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: SUGAR LOAF PA
Posts: 10,363
Send a message via AIM to performabuilt Send a message via MSN to performabuilt Send a message via Yahoo to performabuilt
Default

That is my understanding
__________________
Call
888-744-6542
or text ? to
570-578-5686
2yr Wrty Trans/conv combos. $995 Refresh after wrty, No Core , Dyno test.$50 off trans if "LIKE" us on FaceBook ! Trans now ship 1-5 business days of order. Click logo for website.
performabuilt is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2007, 12:06 AM   #9
TECH Fanatic
Garage is empty, add now
 
Arc00TA's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: 17
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: The 'Nard
Posts: 1,733
Default

Yes, he did. Sorry about the confusion. It was unplugged and had 3rd.
Arc00TA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2007, 12:14 AM   #10
LS1TECH & Trucks Sponsor
Garage is empty, add now
 
performabuilt's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: 24
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: SUGAR LOAF PA
Posts: 10,363
Send a message via AIM to performabuilt Send a message via MSN to performabuilt Send a message via Yahoo to performabuilt
Default

Then you do have and electrical issue and we will work with you solve it
__________________
Call
888-744-6542
or text ? to
570-578-5686
2yr Wrty Trans/conv combos. $995 Refresh after wrty, No Core , Dyno test.$50 off trans if "LIKE" us on FaceBook ! Trans now ship 1-5 business days of order. Click logo for website.
performabuilt is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2007, 10:20 AM   #11
Teching In
Garage is empty, add now
 
Trader Rating: 2
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 5
Default

Yeah i unplugged the harness and it would run in 3rd. Yesterday i swapped the PCM for one that my buddy has for his 95 camaro, but the trans still wouldnt shift, so Im thinking that the PCM is good. But im really no expert in this. Which wire/wires should i check to see if theyre shorted?
juanitowieler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2007, 10:22 AM   #12
LS1TECH & Trucks Sponsor
Garage is empty, add now
 
performabuilt's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: 24
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: SUGAR LOAF PA
Posts: 10,363
Send a message via AIM to performabuilt Send a message via MSN to performabuilt Send a message via Yahoo to performabuilt
Default

shoot me and email at performabuilt@yahoo.com and Ill send you a diagram for it
__________________
Call
888-744-6542
or text ? to
570-578-5686
2yr Wrty Trans/conv combos. $995 Refresh after wrty, No Core , Dyno test.$50 off trans if "LIKE" us on FaceBook ! Trans now ship 1-5 business days of order. Click logo for website.
performabuilt is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2007, 10:22 AM   #13
Teching In
Garage is empty, add now
 
Trader Rating: 2
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 5
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arc00TA
juanito you made it over here! Hopefully these guys have a better idea than me.
yeah, finally made it. looks like a great site. thanks for the reference!
juanitowieler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2007, 07:04 PM   #14
FormerVendor
Garage is empty, add now
 
Gilbert@Ace Racing's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: 0
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: D-F/W
Posts: 3,125
Default

What is the fluid condition? How does the fluid smell? How old is the unit?

Have there been any modifications to the car lately?

g
Gilbert@Ace Racing is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2007, 01:31 AM   #15
LS1TECH & Trucks Sponsor
Garage is empty, add now
 
performabuilt's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: 24
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: SUGAR LOAF PA
Posts: 10,363
Send a message via AIM to performabuilt Send a message via MSN to performabuilt Send a message via Yahoo to performabuilt
Default

Well electrical i always a possibility but with the miles and syptoms you give I would bet you need a trans. No 2-3 and a slipping 2-3 are very different syptoms. Sorry



Quote:
Originally Posted by BLOWN SS/T
Yeah I was running nitrous on it, one night after I ran a supercharged and N20 mustang I was going home and the engine started reving up slowly on the highway. I knew it was my tranny, cause I knew sooner or later it was going to go. The trans fluid was alittle low at the time, due to the trans pan gasket leaking. So I thought it was it running on low fluid, so I did a trans filter and gasket swap. The oil looked good and didnt smell burnt, very minor shavings (no too much on the magnet either) I believe its suppose to have some form normal teat and weat, so nothing major. So filled it up with oil and a bottle of lucas trans fluid (stops slip). And it did the samething.
The car has 114,XXX miles, I bought it with 106,XXX. Not sure if it was rebuilt before, ever since I bought the car, if your sitting in the passenger side while the car is accelerating you could feel something spining/vibrating on the floor panel, I dont no to much about transmissions, but I thought maybe it was the torque converter. Not sure what the symptoms of a slipping tq are though.
I have just thought it was the trans being bad and needing a rebuild, but shoot if this electrical thing might be an issue, Id rather check it out first.
__________________
Call
888-744-6542
or text ? to
570-578-5686
2yr Wrty Trans/conv combos. $995 Refresh after wrty, No Core , Dyno test.$50 off trans if "LIKE" us on FaceBook ! Trans now ship 1-5 business days of order. Click logo for website.
performabuilt is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2007, 09:04 AM   #16
LS1TECH & Trucks Sponsor
Garage is empty, add now
 
performabuilt's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: 24
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: SUGAR LOAF PA
Posts: 10,363
Send a message via AIM to performabuilt Send a message via MSN to performabuilt Send a message via Yahoo to performabuilt
Default

gnerally yes though there are a couple other scenarios that can happen too , for instance with a stuck vb or solenoid you could get a 1-2-2-1 shift which could give the appearance of a neutral since the speed at which the shift would be attempted to 4th would be so high that the engine would esentially free rev.Another would e if the sunshell was bad you would get a 1-3 shift no second and a free rev where 4th should be but you would also not have reverse.
Quote:
Originally Posted by BLOWN SS/T
So if I have 1st and 2nd but it wont go into 3rd (revs up) its a 3-4 clucht pack issue?
__________________
Call
888-744-6542
or text ? to
570-578-5686
2yr Wrty Trans/conv combos. $995 Refresh after wrty, No Core , Dyno test.$50 off trans if "LIKE" us on FaceBook ! Trans now ship 1-5 business days of order. Click logo for website.
performabuilt is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2007, 10:10 AM   #17
FormerVendor
Garage is empty, add now
 
Gilbert@Ace Racing's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: 0
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: D-F/W
Posts: 3,125
Default

Don't over think it. Look at it this way, you are spraying N2O, it is running under high loads at high RPM's frequently. It is symptomatic. The 3/4 clutches are slipping plain and simple. It is time to upgrade to a transmission that will suit the needs of the current demands you are placing on it!

Once you do that, you will have lot's of fun with the car!

Let me know if I can help you with your decision.

g
Gilbert@Ace Racing is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-18-2007, 09:12 PM   #18
007
Teching In
Garage is empty, add now
 
Trader Rating: 0
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Waterford Wisconsin
Posts: 19
Default

My car will do same thing. Only have 800 miles on built 406le trans. No converter lock up either. Worked fine then just won't shift 3-4 after 2nd gear goes to neutral. Unhook the harnes at trans?
__________________
2000 Camaro SS hardtop auto trans black LS2 402 Eagle 4" forged crank Eagle forged 6.125 H-beam rods
Je -2cc forged pistons SLP/AFR 225 65cc heads Ed Curtis custom ground cam 242/246/.649/.649-.114
ATD 4L60E custom built trans by Charlie Yank SS4000
converter Strange 12 bolt rear end 4.11 Comp R lifters
TCI flex plate powermasters hi torque starter SLP long tube headers Speed Inc true dauls exhaust over axle Hotchkis front and rear sway bars
007 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-18-2007, 09:47 PM   #19
LS1TECH & Trucks Sponsor
Garage is empty, add now
 
Trader Rating: 0
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 380
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 007
My car will do same thing. Only have 800 miles on built 406le trans. No converter lock up either. Worked fine then just won't shift 3-4 after 2nd gear goes to neutral. Unhook the harnes at trans?

yes by unhooking the harness at the trans it forces the tranny manually to go into 3rd gear if it starts in 3rd then the tranny has third gear if it starts in first then the tranny has an internal problem just a little backyard quik test
__________________

Free Cooler, Free shipping always, 2 year warranty Trans/Coverter combos, No Core or Core charge, $150 LS1 core buy back, All trans Dyno Tested to Be sure it works when you get it.Customer videos, Tech Thread, Open 7 Days a Week! Call or Click Banner for Website.
Not Just Built.....PerformaBuilt!

performabuilt2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2007, 01:33 PM   #20
007
Teching In
Garage is empty, add now
 
Trader Rating: 0
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Waterford Wisconsin
Posts: 19
Default

OK cool thanks I will try that. Do you know if the other guy figured his out yet?
__________________
2000 Camaro SS hardtop auto trans black LS2 402 Eagle 4" forged crank Eagle forged 6.125 H-beam rods
Je -2cc forged pistons SLP/AFR 225 65cc heads Ed Curtis custom ground cam 242/246/.649/.649-.114
ATD 4L60E custom built trans by Charlie Yank SS4000
converter Strange 12 bolt rear end 4.11 Comp R lifters
TCI flex plate powermasters hi torque starter SLP long tube headers Speed Inc true dauls exhaust over axle Hotchkis front and rear sway bars
007 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2007, 01:33 PM
LS1Tech
Pontiac Firebird




Paid Advertisement
Reply

Tags
3rd, 4160e, 460le, 4l60e, 4th, automatic, blown, electrical, gear, motor, neutrals, problem, revs, shit, transmission


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:46 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.5.2
Advertising - Terms of Service - Privacy Statement - JOBS
Emails & Contact Details