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Chrysler's 'hit list' targets GOP donors If this is true, is there anything that politicians won't inject politics?
Chrysler's 'hit list' targets GOP donors
Dealers who give to Republicans much more likely to be shuttered
Posted: May 27, 2009
7:54 pm Eastern
By Chelsea Schilling
© 2009 WorldNetDaily
As part of its Chapter 11 bankruptcy, Chrysler is terminating one-fourth of its franchises – but some say its catalog of doomed dealerships looks more like a hit list that specifically seeks to put Republican donors out of business.
Chrysler will now be eligible for up to $8 billion in taxpayer-funded federal aid. The federal government has already provided $8.58 billion to Chrysler and Chrysler Holding between the months of January and May of this year. The Treasury also loaned $1.5 billion to the automaker's lending arm in January.
President Obama has said the bankruptcy will give the company "a new lease on life," after his administration spearheaded a plan requiring the company sell to Italian automaker Fiat. Chrysler's stronger operations will be owned by Fiat, labor and the U.S. and Canadian governments. The sale could close as early as this Friday.
Obama said the bankruptcy would be a "quick" and "efficient" step toward Chrysler's "survival."
"The necessary steps have been taken to give one of America's most storied automakers, Chrysler, a new lease on life," Obama said. "This is not a sign of weakness."
But WND reviewed the list of 789 closing franchises and databases of political donors and found that of dealership majority owners making contributions in the November 2008 election, less than 10 percent gifted to Democrats while 90 percent gave substantial sums to Republican candidates.
The listed franchise owners contributed at least $450,000 to Republican presidential candidates and the GOP, while only $7,970 was donated to Sen. Hillary Clinton's campaign and $2,200 was given to Sen. John Edwards' campaign.
Obama received a combined total of only $450 in donations – $250 from dealer Jane Baldock in Wenatchee, Wash., and $200 from Waco, Texas, dealer Jeffrey Hunter.
Many of the majority owners who donated to Republican campaigns last year also contributed additional thousands to George W. Bush's presidential campaign in 2004 and to help elect GOP representatives.
The first dealership on Chrysler's list of facilities marked for termination by June 9 is located in Venice, Fla., and belongs to Republican Rep. Vernon G. Buchanan.
Buchanan gave $2,300 to John McCain in 2008 and has contributed nearly $150,000 to GOP candidates and organizations since 2007. He discovered that his location was scheduled for closure when he crossed paths with Rep. Candice Miller, R-Mich.
According to the Associated Press, Miller told Buchanan, "I heard you're going to lose your Dodge franchise."
"Oh, really?" Buchanan said in a state of surprise.
The dealership's operating partner, Shelby Curtsinger, said he was astonished by Chrysler's decision because the location has been profitable – selling more than twice the stock of an average Chrysler dealership every year.
Houston dealer Robert Archer is one of 330 people contesting Chrysler's decision to close their locations. He donated $1,000 to National Republican Congressional Committee and $500 to Americans for a Republican Majority.
Archer told the New York Times he ordered 700 new vehicles and $1.7 million in new parts after Chrysler told him he could survive unless he stocked more cars. He sacrificed his profits to help the company survive.
Now he is set to lose his franchise.
Other GOP contributors include Michael Maroone, a dealer in Ft. Lauderdale, Fla. He gave $20,000 to the Florida Republican Party, $12,700 to the Republican National Committee and $2,300 to presidential candidate Mitt Romney. Likewise, Menomonee Falls, Wis., dealer Russ Darrow and his family gave $19,000 to the Republican National Committee, $6,029 to the Wisconsin
Republican Party, $2,300 to John McCain and $1,000 to Rudy Giuliani. Bedford, Texas, dealer Eric Grubbs gifted $11,500 to Mike Huckabee, $4,600 to Rudy Giuliani, $6,500 to Texas Republican Congressional Committee, $1,085 to the RNC and $500 to National Republican Congressional Committee. Midlothian, Va., dealer Max Pearson donated $18,000 to National Republican Senatorial Committee, $6,900 to the RNC, $6,900 to John McCain, $3,600 to Virginia Republican Party and $1,000 to National Republican Congressional Committee.
The list continues with more than 60 political donors who are scheduled to lose their franchises – many of whom gave thousands of dollars to Republican candidates – and only seven dealers who contributed a total of less than $12,000 to the Democratic Party and its candidates.
Blogger Doug Ross reviewed patterns on the closure list and noticed the unmistakable trend.
"I took all dealer owners whose names appeared more than once on the list," he wrote. "And, of those who contributed to political campaigns, every single one had donated almost exclusively to GOP candidates."
With 2,392 Chrysler dealerships remaining, some bloggers claim to have already begun the exhaustive process of checking each majority owner to determine whether Chrysler has been more merciful toward those who donate to Democrats while simultaneously giving walking papers to Republican contributors.
Chrysler has not responded to WND's requests for comment. The company claims it evaluated the dealerships based on raw sales volume, location, market, history of experience and market share. According to the company's bankruptcy court filing, the 789 dealerships listed for closure "lack the operational, market, facility and linemaker characteristics necessary to best contribute to the ongoing dealer network under current or future ownership."
Dealer Jim Anderer told Fox News' Neil Cavuto he doesn't understand why Chrysler is shutting down his Long Island dealership because he claims his dealership is quite profitable – with sales volume ranking in the top 2 percent.
Asked why he believes the company targeted him, Anderer said, "They won't tell us. They seem to be running for cover right now because they won't give us a solid explanation. They come up with all these reasons, but none of them seem to make sense."
He continued, "This is insanity. The government is stealing my business. And they're telling me there's nothing I can do about it."
Anderer said Chrysler claims it wants to combine its stores or that dealers cost the manufacturer money to stay in business.
"In the dealers that they cut, there seems to be no cohesive way that they did it," he said. "There was no process that you could put your finger on and say, 'Hey, we cut 25 percent of the lowest performing dealers.' They didn't do that. Nobody will give us a real clear explanation of the formula that they came up with."
"This isn't about business. It's about politics and control. My dealership is in the top 125 out of the 3,500-plus dealerships nationwide ... yet we are on the list. We are not small nor are we rural. We are in a large major metropolitan area. Our new vehicle inventory alone is well over $4.0 million. Is that small?"
The employee continued, "This is so much more than 'just business.' This is about control and power by our present administration in Washington. An administration that will stop at nothing to bring complete socialism to this once great country. Wake up people or get in line now to 'drink the Kool-Aid.'"
Chrysler's bankruptcy court review process began May 14 and is scheduled to end by June 9. According to a May 14 Chrysler memo, dealers learned of their fate via UPS letters arriving earlier this month. A Senate committee is conducting hearings this week as dealers file their requests to block their termination.
George C. Joseph, owner of Sunshine Dodge-Isuzu in Melbourne Fla., has sent out his plea to several online media organizations, including WND.
Joseph said his family paid for his franchise 35 years ago and employs more than 50 people. The company is active in the community and the local chamber of commerce, and he claims it is financially profitable.
"On Thursday, May 14, 2009 I was notified that my Dodge franchise, that we purchased, will be taken away from my family on June 9, 2009 without compensation and given to another dealer at no cost to them," Joseph wrote. "My new vehicle inventory consists of 125 vehicles with a financed balance of 3 million dollars. This inventory becomes impossible to sell with no factory incentives beyond June 9, 2009."
He said that without the franchise his family can no longer sell Dodge inventory as "new" or conduct any service warranty work. Joseph wrote that his parts inventory – worth $300,000 – is now practically worthless because Chrysler will not be required to buy vehicles, tools or parts from terminated dealers under bankruptcy rules.
To make matters worse, Joseph said Chrysler recently required his facility to be renovated, requiring a multi-million dollar debt in the form of a mortgage.
"This is a private business, not a government entity," he wrote. "This is beyond imagination! My business is being stolen from me through no fault of our own. We did nothing wrong."
Joseph continued, "This atrocity will most likely force my family into bankruptcy. This will cause our 50+ employees to be unemployed. How will they provide for their families? … How in the United States of America can this happen?"
Chrysler's 'hit list' targets GOP donors
Dealers who give to Republicans much more likely to be shuttered
Posted: May 27, 2009
7:54 pm Eastern
By Chelsea Schilling
© 2009 WorldNetDaily
As part of its Chapter 11 bankruptcy, Chrysler is terminating one-fourth of its franchises – but some say its catalog of doomed dealerships looks more like a hit list that specifically seeks to put Republican donors out of business.
Chrysler will now be eligible for up to $8 billion in taxpayer-funded federal aid. The federal government has already provided $8.58 billion to Chrysler and Chrysler Holding between the months of January and May of this year. The Treasury also loaned $1.5 billion to the automaker's lending arm in January.
President Obama has said the bankruptcy will give the company "a new lease on life," after his administration spearheaded a plan requiring the company sell to Italian automaker Fiat. Chrysler's stronger operations will be owned by Fiat, labor and the U.S. and Canadian governments. The sale could close as early as this Friday.
Obama said the bankruptcy would be a "quick" and "efficient" step toward Chrysler's "survival."
"The necessary steps have been taken to give one of America's most storied automakers, Chrysler, a new lease on life," Obama said. "This is not a sign of weakness."
But WND reviewed the list of 789 closing franchises and databases of political donors and found that of dealership majority owners making contributions in the November 2008 election, less than 10 percent gifted to Democrats while 90 percent gave substantial sums to Republican candidates.
The listed franchise owners contributed at least $450,000 to Republican presidential candidates and the GOP, while only $7,970 was donated to Sen. Hillary Clinton's campaign and $2,200 was given to Sen. John Edwards' campaign.
Obama received a combined total of only $450 in donations – $250 from dealer Jane Baldock in Wenatchee, Wash., and $200 from Waco, Texas, dealer Jeffrey Hunter.
Many of the majority owners who donated to Republican campaigns last year also contributed additional thousands to George W. Bush's presidential campaign in 2004 and to help elect GOP representatives.
The first dealership on Chrysler's list of facilities marked for termination by June 9 is located in Venice, Fla., and belongs to Republican Rep. Vernon G. Buchanan.
Buchanan gave $2,300 to John McCain in 2008 and has contributed nearly $150,000 to GOP candidates and organizations since 2007. He discovered that his location was scheduled for closure when he crossed paths with Rep. Candice Miller, R-Mich.
According to the Associated Press, Miller told Buchanan, "I heard you're going to lose your Dodge franchise."
"Oh, really?" Buchanan said in a state of surprise.
The dealership's operating partner, Shelby Curtsinger, said he was astonished by Chrysler's decision because the location has been profitable – selling more than twice the stock of an average Chrysler dealership every year.
Houston dealer Robert Archer is one of 330 people contesting Chrysler's decision to close their locations. He donated $1,000 to National Republican Congressional Committee and $500 to Americans for a Republican Majority.
Archer told the New York Times he ordered 700 new vehicles and $1.7 million in new parts after Chrysler told him he could survive unless he stocked more cars. He sacrificed his profits to help the company survive.
Now he is set to lose his franchise.
Other GOP contributors include Michael Maroone, a dealer in Ft. Lauderdale, Fla. He gave $20,000 to the Florida Republican Party, $12,700 to the Republican National Committee and $2,300 to presidential candidate Mitt Romney. Likewise, Menomonee Falls, Wis., dealer Russ Darrow and his family gave $19,000 to the Republican National Committee, $6,029 to the Wisconsin
Republican Party, $2,300 to John McCain and $1,000 to Rudy Giuliani. Bedford, Texas, dealer Eric Grubbs gifted $11,500 to Mike Huckabee, $4,600 to Rudy Giuliani, $6,500 to Texas Republican Congressional Committee, $1,085 to the RNC and $500 to National Republican Congressional Committee. Midlothian, Va., dealer Max Pearson donated $18,000 to National Republican Senatorial Committee, $6,900 to the RNC, $6,900 to John McCain, $3,600 to Virginia Republican Party and $1,000 to National Republican Congressional Committee.
The list continues with more than 60 political donors who are scheduled to lose their franchises – many of whom gave thousands of dollars to Republican candidates – and only seven dealers who contributed a total of less than $12,000 to the Democratic Party and its candidates.
Blogger Doug Ross reviewed patterns on the closure list and noticed the unmistakable trend.
"I took all dealer owners whose names appeared more than once on the list," he wrote. "And, of those who contributed to political campaigns, every single one had donated almost exclusively to GOP candidates."
With 2,392 Chrysler dealerships remaining, some bloggers claim to have already begun the exhaustive process of checking each majority owner to determine whether Chrysler has been more merciful toward those who donate to Democrats while simultaneously giving walking papers to Republican contributors.
Chrysler has not responded to WND's requests for comment. The company claims it evaluated the dealerships based on raw sales volume, location, market, history of experience and market share. According to the company's bankruptcy court filing, the 789 dealerships listed for closure "lack the operational, market, facility and linemaker characteristics necessary to best contribute to the ongoing dealer network under current or future ownership."
Dealer Jim Anderer told Fox News' Neil Cavuto he doesn't understand why Chrysler is shutting down his Long Island dealership because he claims his dealership is quite profitable – with sales volume ranking in the top 2 percent.
Asked why he believes the company targeted him, Anderer said, "They won't tell us. They seem to be running for cover right now because they won't give us a solid explanation. They come up with all these reasons, but none of them seem to make sense."
He continued, "This is insanity. The government is stealing my business. And they're telling me there's nothing I can do about it."
Anderer said Chrysler claims it wants to combine its stores or that dealers cost the manufacturer money to stay in business.
"In the dealers that they cut, there seems to be no cohesive way that they did it," he said. "There was no process that you could put your finger on and say, 'Hey, we cut 25 percent of the lowest performing dealers.' They didn't do that. Nobody will give us a real clear explanation of the formula that they came up with."
"This isn't about business. It's about politics and control. My dealership is in the top 125 out of the 3,500-plus dealerships nationwide ... yet we are on the list. We are not small nor are we rural. We are in a large major metropolitan area. Our new vehicle inventory alone is well over $4.0 million. Is that small?"
The employee continued, "This is so much more than 'just business.' This is about control and power by our present administration in Washington. An administration that will stop at nothing to bring complete socialism to this once great country. Wake up people or get in line now to 'drink the Kool-Aid.'"
Chrysler's bankruptcy court review process began May 14 and is scheduled to end by June 9. According to a May 14 Chrysler memo, dealers learned of their fate via UPS letters arriving earlier this month. A Senate committee is conducting hearings this week as dealers file their requests to block their termination.
George C. Joseph, owner of Sunshine Dodge-Isuzu in Melbourne Fla., has sent out his plea to several online media organizations, including WND.
Joseph said his family paid for his franchise 35 years ago and employs more than 50 people. The company is active in the community and the local chamber of commerce, and he claims it is financially profitable.
"On Thursday, May 14, 2009 I was notified that my Dodge franchise, that we purchased, will be taken away from my family on June 9, 2009 without compensation and given to another dealer at no cost to them," Joseph wrote. "My new vehicle inventory consists of 125 vehicles with a financed balance of 3 million dollars. This inventory becomes impossible to sell with no factory incentives beyond June 9, 2009."
He said that without the franchise his family can no longer sell Dodge inventory as "new" or conduct any service warranty work. Joseph wrote that his parts inventory – worth $300,000 – is now practically worthless because Chrysler will not be required to buy vehicles, tools or parts from terminated dealers under bankruptcy rules.
To make matters worse, Joseph said Chrysler recently required his facility to be renovated, requiring a multi-million dollar debt in the form of a mortgage.
"This is a private business, not a government entity," he wrote. "This is beyond imagination! My business is being stolen from me through no fault of our own. We did nothing wrong."
Joseph continued, "This atrocity will most likely force my family into bankruptcy. This will cause our 50+ employees to be unemployed. How will they provide for their families? … How in the United States of America can this happen?"
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Yikes!! I hope this isn't true.... who would have thought their would be corruption and mishandling of the auto industry once the government took over 
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.The reason it looks like only the GOP supporting dealerships are being shut down is because there really arent any dealerships that are in support of democratic politicians. In fact nearly 90% of dealership owners support GOP politics. Just more rich people that feel they shouldnt have to pay anything to live in this country. Nice try though
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The reason it looks like only the GOP supporting dealerships are being shut down is because there really arent any dealerships that are in support of democratic politicians. In fact nearly 90% of dealership owners support GOP politics. Just more rich people that feel they shouldnt have to pay anything to live in this country. Nice try though
05-28-2009, 10:23 PM
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That piece says nothing about who the dealerships that are NOT being closed gave to. It says they were "checking" that currently.
My bet is they will also lean heavily toward Republican donations, in fact its possible they could be no different. It's no secret that a lot of well off people were no fan of Obama's tax plan in the election.
The article makes it out like Republican donating dealerships were "targeted" but you absolutely cannot draw any conclusions without that additional information on the others, which they conveniently omitted.
You guys should really be more discerning in evaluating political news and not jump to believe anything you want to hear. People can be very manipulative.
Consider the source as well. That site is one that twists everything around to make pro-republican perspective.
My bet is they will also lean heavily toward Republican donations, in fact its possible they could be no different. It's no secret that a lot of well off people were no fan of Obama's tax plan in the election.
The article makes it out like Republican donating dealerships were "targeted" but you absolutely cannot draw any conclusions without that additional information on the others, which they conveniently omitted.
You guys should really be more discerning in evaluating political news and not jump to believe anything you want to hear. People can be very manipulative.
Consider the source as well. That site is one that twists everything around to make pro-republican perspective. Last edited by infinitebird; 05-28-2009 at 11:42 PM.
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you sit and try to paint everyone that disagrees with you as "ring wing maniac" when in fact you are a far left liberal nutswinger, a moderate sitting next to you looks like Rush Limbaugh. And please, that statement ^^^ is about as ignorant as it gets, mind you the Texas economy is much stronger than rest of the country and has a much better corruption record than your beloved Illinois, even ole Billy Clinton claimed they breed 'thug politics'... If you weren't so one-sided you wouldn't receive all this flack.
Actually if you'd read between the lines you'd notice I was making the comparison that states tend to get bad raps based on one particular person that defines the rest. See, you wouldnt even be complaining about Illinois or Chicago if you hadnt heard about a democratic governor caught up in scandal but you partisan brain now has to savor every moment. Where do you find the courage lol!Really? Your ignorance is unbelievable. I'll give you that most small businesses support the GOP which could easily skew the findings, but rich people feel they shouldn't have to pay anything to live in this country?? The Congressional Budget Office found the top 20 percent of income earners paid over 85% of all federal income taxes (In 2006, it was the only report I could actually find, feel free to find a more current one as I'm sure it will show the same thing). So please provide your evidence showing the rich don't pay anything....
We're getting off the point though
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Actually if you'd read between the lines you'd notice I was making the comparison that states tend to get bad raps based on one particular person that defines the rest. See, you wouldnt even be complaining about Illinois or Chicago if you hadnt heard about a democratic governor caught up in scandal but you partisan brain now has to savor every moment. Where do you find the courage lol!
See this is where I agree with you. You use this pie chart to make your point but you leave out that I pay a higher percentage of tax then a rich person. See if someone has a ten million dollars and pays one million in taxes they still have 9million dollars. Doesnt escape the fact that these people are still filthy rich and want to escape from paying any tax at all.
We're getting off the point though
We're getting off the point though
05-29-2009, 03:16 PM
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To left wing ignorant idiots:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politic...ory_of_Chicago
Volumes have been written on this subject. Chicago didn't invent corruption, but they certainly took it to a new level. If you're going to talk s***, you at least need to know the history of your beloved Chi, IL. I love Chicago, it's a great city, but we know its history too.
The dealer closing list is obviously mostly GOP leaning. MOST actual business owners in all industries, the ones that pay taxes and create jobs, prefer lower taxes. You are a moron if you don't. That's money that could go to dividends, profits, business expansion, or HIRING MORE PEOPLE. The bigger point is that they are closing dealers that are FINANCIALLY HEALTHY. No one has even come forth with the formula they are using to pick the dealers! I don't care what your politics are, that should throw red flags in your head.
Unions and healthcare costs are 2/3 of the reason GM is f***ed. The other 1/3 is their own poor decisions, poor marketing, and too little too late (G8) for decades. Why are healthcare costs so high? Government price controls, single payer medical (government) are the biggest, with stupid patients and greedy insurance companies falling in line too. Government is the single biggest screwer of our healthcare system, and most anything it touches.
GM should have booted the unions years ago, they were a good idea 50 years ago, now it's a bunch of people who want to collect a check when they're not working. One has to generalize and there are always exceptions but the fact that one can collect 70% pension for more years than he/she works speaks for itself. For leftys - there is as much incentive not to work as TO work.
Who do you think is more critical, the one who collects a paycheck or the one that CREATES the paycheck?
When was the last time anyone got a job from a poor person?
What is government money? (hint for leftys-this is a trick question)
How is the Texas economy doing again? If it were SO bad, people wouldn't be pouring in, legally and otherwise, to try to carve out a living. Funny how this even holds true in states that aren't doing so well and the US as a whole. Kinda makes you think the "land of opportunity" might mean something, huh? It's not called the "land of everyone has the same and gets the same no matter how much effort they give" is it?
As if GM (and all the big 3) needed help f***ing themselves up, the Obama administration is going to make sure it never comes back. I'll bookend this as I think it covers it all:
Welcome to Chicago thug politics combined with Socialism, meted out at the national level by a guy with an entitlement chip on his shoulder. Can't believe anyone would be surprised.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politic...ory_of_Chicago
Volumes have been written on this subject. Chicago didn't invent corruption, but they certainly took it to a new level. If you're going to talk s***, you at least need to know the history of your beloved Chi, IL. I love Chicago, it's a great city, but we know its history too.
The dealer closing list is obviously mostly GOP leaning. MOST actual business owners in all industries, the ones that pay taxes and create jobs, prefer lower taxes. You are a moron if you don't. That's money that could go to dividends, profits, business expansion, or HIRING MORE PEOPLE. The bigger point is that they are closing dealers that are FINANCIALLY HEALTHY. No one has even come forth with the formula they are using to pick the dealers! I don't care what your politics are, that should throw red flags in your head.
Unions and healthcare costs are 2/3 of the reason GM is f***ed. The other 1/3 is their own poor decisions, poor marketing, and too little too late (G8) for decades. Why are healthcare costs so high? Government price controls, single payer medical (government) are the biggest, with stupid patients and greedy insurance companies falling in line too. Government is the single biggest screwer of our healthcare system, and most anything it touches.
GM should have booted the unions years ago, they were a good idea 50 years ago, now it's a bunch of people who want to collect a check when they're not working. One has to generalize and there are always exceptions but the fact that one can collect 70% pension for more years than he/she works speaks for itself. For leftys - there is as much incentive not to work as TO work.
Who do you think is more critical, the one who collects a paycheck or the one that CREATES the paycheck?
When was the last time anyone got a job from a poor person?
What is government money? (hint for leftys-this is a trick question)
How is the Texas economy doing again? If it were SO bad, people wouldn't be pouring in, legally and otherwise, to try to carve out a living. Funny how this even holds true in states that aren't doing so well and the US as a whole. Kinda makes you think the "land of opportunity" might mean something, huh? It's not called the "land of everyone has the same and gets the same no matter how much effort they give" is it?
As if GM (and all the big 3) needed help f***ing themselves up, the Obama administration is going to make sure it never comes back. I'll bookend this as I think it covers it all:
Welcome to Chicago thug politics combined with Socialism, meted out at the national level by a guy with an entitlement chip on his shoulder. Can't believe anyone would be surprised.
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Really it depends how your making your income (is the majority of income capital gains, dividends, etc which are all taxed differently), but I see your point. Then again, the rich person is paying $1,000,000, in taxes a year compared to you paying whatever amount you pay, lets say $10,000. Regardless its ridiculous to say that the "rich" aren't paying their way (which is completely subjective because I don't consider someone making 250k "rich"). I know several people paying +40% in taxes and they are making somewhere around $300k - which I find absurd - especially when you throw in 3 kids and college tuition's to pay for
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Unions and healthcare costs are 2/3 of the reason GM is f***ed. The other 1/3 is their own poor decisions, poor marketing, and too little too late (G8) for decades. Why are healthcare costs so high? Government price controls, single payer medical (government) are the biggest, with stupid patients and greedy insurance companies falling in line too. Government is the single biggest screwer of our healthcare system, and most anything it touches.
GM should have booted the unions years ago, they were a good idea 50 years ago, now it's a bunch of people who want to collect a check when they're not working. One has to generalize and there are always exceptions but the fact that one can collect 70% pension for more years than he/she works speaks for itself. For leftys - there is as much incentive not to work as TO work.
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"Chicago thug politics"? Thats comical talk coming from a (home of the right-wing maniacs and intolerant) Texan.
The reason it looks like only the GOP supporting dealerships are being shut down is because there really arent any dealerships that are in support of democratic politicians. In fact nearly 90% of dealership owners support GOP politics. Just more rich people that feel they shouldnt have to pay anything to live in this country. Nice try though
.The reason it looks like only the GOP supporting dealerships are being shut down is because there really arent any dealerships that are in support of democratic politicians. In fact nearly 90% of dealership owners support GOP politics. Just more rich people that feel they shouldnt have to pay anything to live in this country. Nice try though
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Wow... you sir are an idiot. You insult people whom you in NO WAY know, whilst the gentleman you quoted was speaking of corrupted politicians and their styling of governing. He statement about the corruption in Chicago is valid only in that in recent days there has been much unfolding venality. The socialism is obviously his opinion, seeing how is it a left-wing state and city seen by their voting. You not only made a discriminatory suggestion towards the people of Texas in that they are "intolerant" but you have absolutely NO evidence of it. There are discriminators EVERYWHERE, they are not confined to one state or the south for that matter. Secondly, how about we see some real evidence of your statement concerning the dealerships.
And as far as your dealership concerns go this is the best reporting with sources on it
http://www.videosift.com/video/WTF-M...er-Dealerships
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Who cares who they gave too? Where is the next nearest dealer to these dealers? What were their revenues? What other brands did they sell if any? I"ll bet there's more to this. But hey a controversy is a controversy.
http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2008/0...-for-an-alaba/
Not that McCain is a saint.
http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2008/0...-for-an-alaba/
Not that McCain is a saint.
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There is no limit to where socialists will inject their agenda. That is an absolute truth, far above and beyond this news report.
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Holy crap I can't believe you honestly believe that would be better. Ask someone from another nation who comes here for health care how that universal health care is doing for them. Ask someone who is refused treatment in the UK because the cost of treatment is too high for someone who is too old to contribute to society enough to offset the cost of said treatment.
Ask me, someone living under a universal health care system. Doctors only take a certain amount of people per day, telling all after a certain number to come back tomorrow (wait, make that Monday) without even checking their situation as they have their quota for the day. Patients are forced out of the system entirely if they are deemed too old to justify the cost of treating them. Snap diagnoses are metered out daily leading to overmedication, mismedication, and even medications that make the situation worse. Humans are given medication that is labeled for veterinarian use only. Patients are flat out told that they are faking it, or that otherwise routinely used tests that could reveal what is actually going on are not paid for by the system, and to go on about your life.
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Holy crap I can't believe you honestly believe that would be better. Ask someone from another nation who comes here for health care how that universal health care is doing for them. Ask someone who is refused treatment in the UK because the cost of treatment is too high for someone who is too old to contribute to society enough to offset the cost of said treatment.
Ask me, someone living under a universal health care system. Doctors only take a certain amount of people per day, telling all after a certain number to come back tomorrow (wait, make that Monday) without even checking their situation as they have their quota for the day. Patients are forced out of the system entirely if they are deemed too old to justify the cost of treating them. Snap diagnoses are metered out daily leading to overmedication, mismedication, and even medications that make the situation worse. Humans are given medication that is labeled for veterinarian use only. Patients are flat out told that they are faking it, or that otherwise routinely used tests that could reveal what is actually going on are not paid for by the system, and to go on about your life.
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There is no limit to where socialists will inject their agenda. That is an absolute truth, far above and beyond this news report.
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Holy crap I can't believe you honestly believe that would be better. Ask someone from another nation who comes here for health care how that universal health care is doing for them. Ask someone who is refused treatment in the UK because the cost of treatment is too high for someone who is too old to contribute to society enough to offset the cost of said treatment.
Ask me, someone living under a universal health care system. Doctors only take a certain amount of people per day, telling all after a certain number to come back tomorrow (wait, make that Monday) without even checking their situation as they have their quota for the day. Patients are forced out of the system entirely if they are deemed too old to justify the cost of treating them. Snap diagnoses are metered out daily leading to overmedication, mismedication, and even medications that make the situation worse. Humans are given medication that is labeled for veterinarian use only. Patients are flat out told that they are faking it, or that otherwise routinely used tests that could reveal what is actually going on are not paid for by the system, and to go on about your life.
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Holy crap I can't believe you honestly believe that would be better. Ask someone from another nation who comes here for health care how that universal health care is doing for them. Ask someone who is refused treatment in the UK because the cost of treatment is too high for someone who is too old to contribute to society enough to offset the cost of said treatment.
Ask me, someone living under a universal health care system. Doctors only take a certain amount of people per day, telling all after a certain number to come back tomorrow (wait, make that Monday) without even checking their situation as they have their quota for the day. Patients are forced out of the system entirely if they are deemed too old to justify the cost of treating them. Snap diagnoses are metered out daily leading to overmedication, mismedication, and even medications that make the situation worse. Humans are given medication that is labeled for veterinarian use only. Patients are flat out told that they are faking it, or that otherwise routinely used tests that could reveal what is actually going on are not paid for by the system, and to go on about your life.
mmhmm..So how do you explain away the fact that France has the number one rated health care system in the world and UK and Canada likwise rank better then we do? And how do you explain away that statisticly people in those countries live 2 years longer then we do? Im just curious about that.
And either way lets make an option available so that if you dont want to be on the govt funded system you can still go buy your own if you feel safer with that.
