ZL1 in big trouble? Q&A with SVT Chief Engineer today...
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02-13-2012, 11:25 AM
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02-13-2012, 11:44 AM
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what i dont get is how fast and how much power are they going to push out of these cars? when is the limit? i remember when having 400hp was godlike...now were competing in the 650hp range...STOCK. holy crap.
02-13-2012, 01:03 PM
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but yea, its strange to see lowly "muscle" cars with so much these days. whats next? a base V8 camaro or mustang with 475-500 hp?
02-13-2012, 03:44 PM
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I mean I understand different drivers/different days, but it is already approaching or past the GT on the road course.
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The Camaros suspension technology may be it's saving grace until power is upped, but that's no garauntee. Look at how the Mustang has been beating up on the M3 Bimmers since the 5.0 was introduced. Granted the Camaro is working with a more advanced set up, but the stick axle Mustang has been going toe to toe or beating the superior suspended, similarly powerful BMW.
Now we're talking a car with a big power and weight advantage taking on a car whose only advantage is it's suspension.
Another thing to consider come time to modify.. Ever see the upper pulley on the new GT500 mill? Not much room to go smaller. The ZL1, however, is pushing less boost and has a much bigger pulley. Granted once the mods start anything goes, but this would be a simple change for the next model year.
Now we're talking a car with a big power and weight advantage taking on a car whose only advantage is it's suspension.
Another thing to consider come time to modify.. Ever see the upper pulley on the new GT500 mill? Not much room to go smaller. The ZL1, however, is pushing less boost and has a much bigger pulley. Granted once the mods start anything goes, but this would be a simple change for the next model year.
02-14-2012, 03:58 AM
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Another thing to consider come time to modify.. Ever see the upper pulley on the new GT500 mill? Not much room to go smaller. The ZL1, however, is pushing less boost and has a much bigger pulley. Granted once the mods start anything goes, but this would be a simple change for the next model year.
02-14-2012, 09:07 AM
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The Camaros suspension technology may be it's saving grace until power is upped, but that's no garauntee. Look at how the Mustang has been beating up on the M3 Bimmers since the 5.0 was introduced. Granted the Camaro is working with a more advanced set up, but the stick axle Mustang has been going toe to toe or beating the superior suspended, similarly powerful BMW.
Now we're talking a car with a big power and weight advantage taking on a car whose only advantage is it's suspension.
Another thing to consider come time to modify.. Ever see the upper pulley on the new GT500 mill? Not much room to go smaller. The ZL1, however, is pushing less boost and has a much bigger pulley. Granted once the mods start anything goes, but this would be a simple change for the next model year.
Now we're talking a car with a big power and weight advantage taking on a car whose only advantage is it's suspension.
Another thing to consider come time to modify.. Ever see the upper pulley on the new GT500 mill? Not much room to go smaller. The ZL1, however, is pushing less boost and has a much bigger pulley. Granted once the mods start anything goes, but this would be a simple change for the next model year.
A lower pulley, thorttlebody and header back GT500 will make 700+whp.
That is a lot of power with a couple very minor changes.
A heads, cam upper and lower LSA does not even get you that.
02-14-2012, 11:10 AM
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After all, the GT clearly covered the same ring more quickly than did this all new suspensioned ZL1, which is very similarly powered(and much heavier). It speaks volumes for the ZL1 that it's even close to a GT on probably the most appluaded course in the world, by the way.
On the other hand, I'm not fully convinced he meant to allow THAT cat outta the bag, so maybe he was off-handedly saying it's quicker in general.
Most serious note: If the GT500 is quicker than the GT was ON the ring, that's incredible! Solid axle WONDERCAR!
02-14-2012, 03:21 PM
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I think he was possibly pointing out that Ford just made the statement, the 2013 GT500 outran the Ford GT, possibly on the Nurburgring course. If that's the case, the ZL1 is truly in trouble against the new GT500.
After all, the GT clearly covered the same ring more quickly than did this all new suspensioned ZL1, which is very similarly powered(and much heavier). It speaks volumes for the ZL1 that it's even close to a GT on probably the most appluaded course in the world, by the way.
On the other hand, I'm not fully convinced he meant to allow THAT cat outta the bag, so maybe he was off-handedly saying it's quicker in general.
Most serious note: If the GT500 is quicker than the GT was ON the ring, that's incredible! Solid axle WONDERCAR!
After all, the GT clearly covered the same ring more quickly than did this all new suspensioned ZL1, which is very similarly powered(and much heavier). It speaks volumes for the ZL1 that it's even close to a GT on probably the most appluaded course in the world, by the way.
On the other hand, I'm not fully convinced he meant to allow THAT cat outta the bag, so maybe he was off-handedly saying it's quicker in general.
Most serious note: If the GT500 is quicker than the GT was ON the ring, that's incredible! Solid axle WONDERCAR!
weight, weight, weight, weight, weight..
the ZL needs a damned diet. badly.
02-14-2012, 04:02 PM
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I think he was possibly pointing out that Ford just made the statement, the 2013 GT500 outran the Ford GT, possibly on the Nurburgring course. If that's the case, the ZL1 is truly in trouble against the new GT500.
After all, the GT clearly covered the same ring more quickly than did this all new suspensioned ZL1, which is very similarly powered(and much heavier). It speaks volumes for the ZL1 that it's even close to a GT on probably the most appluaded course in the world, by the way.
On the other hand, I'm not fully convinced he meant to allow THAT cat outta the bag, so maybe he was off-handedly saying it's quicker in general.
Most serious note: If the GT500 is quicker than the GT was ON the ring, that's incredible! Solid axle WONDERCAR!
After all, the GT clearly covered the same ring more quickly than did this all new suspensioned ZL1, which is very similarly powered(and much heavier). It speaks volumes for the ZL1 that it's even close to a GT on probably the most appluaded course in the world, by the way.
On the other hand, I'm not fully convinced he meant to allow THAT cat outta the bag, so maybe he was off-handedly saying it's quicker in general.
Most serious note: If the GT500 is quicker than the GT was ON the ring, that's incredible! Solid axle WONDERCAR!
02-14-2012, 08:38 PM
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You are forgetting the shitty interior Fords have. Cheap fake leather, cheap buttons etc. Same with the new camaro too though. The worst thing for me is the solid live axle. The only thing I like about that is the fact you can rev it up to 6000RPM and let the clutch out and not break anything, other than that they flat out suck. I'll take a nice riding/handling ZL1 any day.
02-14-2012, 09:13 PM
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You are forgetting the shitty interior Fords have. Cheap fake leather, cheap buttons etc. Same with the new camaro too though. The worst thing for me is the solid live axle. The only thing I like about that is the fact you can rev it up to 6000RPM and let the clutch out and not break anything, other than that they flat out suck. I'll take a nice riding/handling ZL1 any day.
02-14-2012, 09:14 PM
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According to the Chief SVT engineer, 2013 GT500 is faster than the Ford GT around the road course, and performance from 0-150mph is very similar.
Here are the coments from Jamal Hameedi from an SVT Q&A that was held today..
Comment From Dylon
When will we see pricing on the new GT500? Quarter Mile times? 0-60 proof?
11:03 Jamal Hameedi: We'll be publishing performance stats in the next few months, trust me, you'll be happy.
Comment From Kevin
Has the MSRP been determined for the '13 GT500?
Ford: MSRP will be revealed soon. We are all smiling over here Kevin!
Comment From Kevin
I'm am interested on how you guys are taking the Chevy mud slinging. Looks as if the GT500 better do its job in a straight line and on a course. How is it performing at nurburg testing? Satisfied with results compared to what the ZL1 has offered to release?
11:06
Jamal Hameedi: We can't wait to get the car in the hands of journalists!
11:06
Jamal Hameedi: and customers as well!
Comment From GARY WOOD
Hello, Is the TORSEN Diff. tough enough for drag racing?
Jamal Hameedi: Yes, we've had the Torsen diff at the drag strip and we've never broken one.
Comment From Sean
With the new Focus-ST and the Boss both being non-SVT vehicles, what is the status or future of the SVT program?
11:07
Jamal Hameedi: Hi Sean, there are SVT engineers working on the ST program. We are all one global performance group now.
11:07
Comment From Guest
As a 2012 SVT Raptor Owner, I was wondering, will ford be hosting any Raptor weekends for owners to come and play with out trucks with a SVT engineer? Also, I love my truck!
11:08
Jamal Hameedi: Look for future Raptor Round-Up's
11:08
Comment From Shant Meg.
I am debating a Shelby with the performance Pack. Will the ride be stiffer than a Shelby without the Performance Pack?
11:09
Jamal Hameedi: Hi Shant, the SVT-engineered Bilstein suspension on comfort mode will offer a nice ride!
Comment From Frank
Congrats on the first 20 Years of SVT, what does the future of SVT look like with the Ford Global business focus?
Jamal Hameedi: Hi Frank, the future is really exciting. When we leverage our global performance engineering capability it means more performance cars at the end of the day for our enthusiasts.
Ford: We just had a question come in from one of our Google+ fans: I'm a big fan of the Ford GT. Between the Shelby GT500 and the Ford GT which one is the superior performer?
Jamal Hameedi: To our friend on Google+. The GT500 and the Ford GT are pretty different vehicles—but we bench marked the GT quite a bit. The GT500 and GT are roughly similar in performance up to 150 MPH and the GT500 is faster on a road course.
Comment From Shant Meg.
Hi Guys, How crucial will the new Track Pack on the Shelby be if I will track the Shelby only a few times in it's lifetime?
11:28 Jamal Hameedi: Hi Shant, if you're an accomplished driver and you track your GT500 you'll definitely want the track pack.
Comment From George B
Will there be a "Track Key" with the 2013GT500 ? Will there be any restrictions or speed limitations on the car whatsoever?
11:26 Jamal Hameedi: Hey George, the GT500 Coupe is not speed-limited.
That is pretty cool to hear
This info really made them take out the ban hammer over at Camaro 5.
Here are the coments from Jamal Hameedi from an SVT Q&A that was held today..
Comment From Dylon
When will we see pricing on the new GT500? Quarter Mile times? 0-60 proof?
11:03 Jamal Hameedi: We'll be publishing performance stats in the next few months, trust me, you'll be happy.
Comment From Kevin
Has the MSRP been determined for the '13 GT500?
Ford: MSRP will be revealed soon. We are all smiling over here Kevin!
Comment From Kevin
I'm am interested on how you guys are taking the Chevy mud slinging. Looks as if the GT500 better do its job in a straight line and on a course. How is it performing at nurburg testing? Satisfied with results compared to what the ZL1 has offered to release?
11:06
Jamal Hameedi: We can't wait to get the car in the hands of journalists!
11:06
Jamal Hameedi: and customers as well!
Comment From GARY WOOD
Hello, Is the TORSEN Diff. tough enough for drag racing?
Jamal Hameedi: Yes, we've had the Torsen diff at the drag strip and we've never broken one.
Comment From Sean
With the new Focus-ST and the Boss both being non-SVT vehicles, what is the status or future of the SVT program?
11:07
Jamal Hameedi: Hi Sean, there are SVT engineers working on the ST program. We are all one global performance group now.
11:07
Comment From Guest
As a 2012 SVT Raptor Owner, I was wondering, will ford be hosting any Raptor weekends for owners to come and play with out trucks with a SVT engineer? Also, I love my truck!
11:08
Jamal Hameedi: Look for future Raptor Round-Up's
11:08
Comment From Shant Meg.
I am debating a Shelby with the performance Pack. Will the ride be stiffer than a Shelby without the Performance Pack?
11:09
Jamal Hameedi: Hi Shant, the SVT-engineered Bilstein suspension on comfort mode will offer a nice ride!
Comment From Frank
Congrats on the first 20 Years of SVT, what does the future of SVT look like with the Ford Global business focus?
Jamal Hameedi: Hi Frank, the future is really exciting. When we leverage our global performance engineering capability it means more performance cars at the end of the day for our enthusiasts.
Ford: We just had a question come in from one of our Google+ fans: I'm a big fan of the Ford GT. Between the Shelby GT500 and the Ford GT which one is the superior performer?
Jamal Hameedi: To our friend on Google+. The GT500 and the Ford GT are pretty different vehicles—but we bench marked the GT quite a bit. The GT500 and GT are roughly similar in performance up to 150 MPH and the GT500 is faster on a road course.
Comment From Shant Meg.
Hi Guys, How crucial will the new Track Pack on the Shelby be if I will track the Shelby only a few times in it's lifetime?
11:28 Jamal Hameedi: Hi Shant, if you're an accomplished driver and you track your GT500 you'll definitely want the track pack.
Comment From George B
Will there be a "Track Key" with the 2013GT500 ? Will there be any restrictions or speed limitations on the car whatsoever?
11:26 Jamal Hameedi: Hey George, the GT500 Coupe is not speed-limited.
That is pretty cool to hear
This info really made them take out the ban hammer over at Camaro 5.your last comment....i've seen stuff like this referenced before. what's the deal with camaro5? do they ban anyone that doesn't agree with them or something?
i mean....you guys put up with people like me, and for the most part seem like a pretty cool bunch.....even if yas are chevy nuts.
02-14-2012, 09:22 PM
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that said........ooohhhhh how i almost wish i hadn't bought my gt.....another year of saving money, and i might've had enough to put a nice downpayment on a gt500. black on black leather heated seats, nav, sync...........
02-14-2012, 09:27 PM
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You are forgetting the shitty interior Fords have. Cheap fake leather, cheap buttons etc. Same with the new camaro too though. The worst thing for me is the solid live axle. The only thing I like about that is the fact you can rev it up to 6000RPM and let the clutch out and not break anything, other than that they flat out suck. I'll take a nice riding/handling ZL1 any day.
What makes the live axle "flat out suck," anyway? I mean, it's not like the car doesn't handle better than about 99% of ALL vehicles ever created... So if it's that "good" in real life, I'm having trouble gathering in why anyone would be so staunchly against it, particularly having never even laid eyes on the thing... I have IRS in my DD and it's not something I waste much time thinking over. The ONLY time IRS is truly helpful is on actually rough/bumpy surfaces or when turning at (great) speed. I sense no difference riding along on normal roadways. In fact, my mothers car still rides smoother and it has a live axle.
PS the GT500 already handles as well as the SS, or better. In fact, I'm thinking the current GT500 is on par with the ZL1... SRA and all. I just don't see saying "that sucks" because it's not something which has been hyped for years, even though it does the same job for thousands less... I guess I just missed that specific (short) bus.
