Is GM in trouble again?
08-18-2012, 02:00 AM
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A friend of mine got a new Malibu Eco recently and I rode in it a couple of weeks ago, I am VERY impressed with how solid and quiet it is, real comfortable ride too.
On a trip to Maryland last month he got over 44mpg
averaging over 70mph and the car/engine still isn't even fully broken in yet (low miles). 
On a trip to Maryland last month he got over 44mpg
averaging over 70mph and the car/engine still isn't even fully broken in yet (low miles). 
08-18-2012, 09:18 AM
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GM being in trouble wouldn't surprise me. Their passenger line of vehicles is still a complete joke in comparison to their competitors. The only thing GM makes that's still appealing to the public are their trucks and performance cars. Unfortunately trucks and performance cars alone won't keep a company alive.
Of course there's always the rental car lots to buy up all their bland **** they keep pumping out every year.
Of course there's always the rental car lots to buy up all their bland **** they keep pumping out every year.
08-18-2012, 11:24 AM
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GM being in trouble wouldn't surprise me. Their passenger line of vehicles is still a complete joke in comparison to their competitors. The only thing GM makes that's still appealing to the public are their trucks and performance cars. Unfortunately trucks and performance cars alone won't keep a company alive.
Of course there's always the rental car lots to buy up all their bland **** they keep pumping out every year.
Of course there's always the rental car lots to buy up all their bland **** they keep pumping out every year.
The Equinox/Terrain twins aren't that great in their class and have ho-hum consumer reviews from what I've seen, but they're selling like hotcakes in my area at least.
The Buck lineup are all great cars...their direct competition is kind of vague (higher class than your normal family sedans, but not enough car for the likes of the true luxury/sport brands) However Cadillac has most of the latter covered very well.
08-18-2012, 01:02 PM
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GM being in trouble wouldn't surprise me. Their passenger line of vehicles is still a complete joke in comparison to their competitors. The only thing GM makes that's still appealing to the public are their trucks and performance cars. Unfortunately trucks and performance cars alone won't keep a company alive.
Of course there's always the rental car lots to buy up all their bland **** they keep pumping out every year.
Of course there's always the rental car lots to buy up all their bland **** they keep pumping out every year.
http://gmauthority.com/blog/2012/07/...y-the-numbers/
08-20-2012, 01:08 AM
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Umm...wat? Almost every single one of their passenger vehicles is newish design that is, at least, comparable to the rest of the vehicles in it's class, if not one of the best. The only real weak spot is the Impala, but it has an all new design coming very soon.
The Equinox/Terrain twins aren't that great in their class and have ho-hum consumer reviews from what I've seen, but they're selling like hotcakes in my area at least.
The Buick lineup are all great cars...their direct competition is kind of vague (higher class than your normal family sedans, but not enough car for the likes of the true luxury/sport brands) However Cadillac has most of the latter covered very well.
The Equinox/Terrain twins aren't that great in their class and have ho-hum consumer reviews from what I've seen, but they're selling like hotcakes in my area at least.
The Buick lineup are all great cars...their direct competition is kind of vague (higher class than your normal family sedans, but not enough car for the likes of the true luxury/sport brands) However Cadillac has most of the latter covered very well.
08-20-2012, 10:05 PM
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A few years ago I had a chance to ride in a Malibu, a Accord and a my ex gf had a Camery. To me the Malibu was far nicer. It and the accord were rentals. The Accord felt rough, rode rough, and had less power. I could not stand riding in the her Camery. The interior in it was decent but the car was gutless. It felt like I was driving a appliance not a car. I don't know how either of those could be chosen over the Malibu. The Malibu handled great and was a much better looking car imo.
I think part of the problem is the press. When I go drive these cars back to back I rarely see it the way the mags do.
I think part of the problem is the press. When I go drive these cars back to back I rarely see it the way the mags do.
We're talking about today's cars. Sure the 2008 Camry was so so. But my wife's 2012 Camry SE poops all over the current Mali and Impala. I also daily drive 2009 Nissan Altima and wish I had a 2013 Ford Fusion Titanium with the 2.0 Ecoboost.
If GM ever does die, I hope Ford buys the corvette brand and slaps a 3.7 twin turbo in it.
08-21-2012, 08:44 AM
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oh man, that may be sig worthy
08-21-2012, 09:46 AM
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We're talking about today's cars. Sure the 2008 Camry was so so. But my wife's 2012 Camry SE poops all over the current Mali and Impala. I also daily drive 2009 Nissan Altima and wish I had a 2013 Ford Fusion Titanium with the 2.0 Ecoboost.
If GM ever does die, I hope Ford buys the corvette brand and slaps a 3.7 twin turbo in it.
If GM ever does die, I hope Ford buys the corvette brand and slaps a 3.7 twin turbo in it.
08-21-2012, 05:45 PM
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I was just trolling and being a punk.
That comment was based on rumors. I've heard we could see a V6 turbo as an option some day.
I'm saving for either a 2013 Focus ST or the 2015 50th Mustang. Can't wait to see it.
That comment was based on rumors. I've heard we could see a V6 turbo as an option some day.
I'm saving for either a 2013 Focus ST or the 2015 50th Mustang. Can't wait to see it.
08-21-2012, 07:59 PM
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Lighter? I know the LS engine is lighter the the 5.0 Coyota engine but at least Ford can design a lighter chassis with more trunk and rear seat space.
I'm sure a 3.7 V6 turbo can be designed lighter than a 5.7 OHV engine.
Apparently small turbo engines are in. Look at Ford and now look at GM. Who is getting negative news with there financials and market share? GM.
F-150 is the number one sold pick-up. The 3.5 Ecoboost is the most purchased engine option.
Ford owners are in open arms over smaller engines with turbo's. A v6 turbo Vette could be a breathe of fresh air.
08-21-2012, 10:58 PM
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DOHC 24 valve V6 with turbocharger, intercooler(s) and all of the associated turbo/intercooler plumbing versus compact naturally aspirated OHV V8, I dunno.
And Corvettes aren't 5.7L any more, although I suppose that the base C7 could be 5.7L once again.
08-22-2012, 06:01 PM
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Gm used a sedan chassis for the camaro we all know this, get over it.
Ford finally made a respectable mustang, and now the Camaro has some actual competition, I see this as a good thing.
I'm sure a 3.7 V6 turbo can be designed lighter than a 5.7 OHV engine.
Apparently small turbo engines are in. Look at Ford and now look at GM. Who is getting negative news with there financials and market share? GM.
F-150 is the number one sold pick-up. The 3.5 Ecoboost is the most purchased engine option.
Ford owners are in open arms over smaller engines with turbo's.
Ford owners are in open arms over smaller engines with turbo's.
Those are trucks, not purpose built sports cars. If I were to buy a new F150 Id likely go with the ecoboost as well, but only because their V8 is nothing special, and the ecoboost does the same thing except with better gas mileage. - I wouldn't care about engine size/weight/sound with a work truck...
A v6 turbo Vette could be a breathe of fresh air.
08-22-2012, 08:01 PM
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Possibly, but not likely.
DOHC 24 valve V6 with turbocharger, intercooler(s) and all of the associated turbo/intercooler plumbing versus compact naturally aspirated OHV V8, I dunno.
And Corvettes aren't 5.7L any more, although I suppose that the base C7 could be 5.7L once again.
DOHC 24 valve V6 with turbocharger, intercooler(s) and all of the associated turbo/intercooler plumbing versus compact naturally aspirated OHV V8, I dunno.
And Corvettes aren't 5.7L any more, although I suppose that the base C7 could be 5.7L once again.
GM really needs to get the ball rolling on some more interesting cars. Aside from the Corvette and Camaro, I never hear anyone talking about how good the new Chevy XXXX is.
08-22-2012, 08:30 PM
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The 5.0 Coyote is only 15lbs heavier than the LS3 with 32 valves, 4 cams instead of one, etc. I'm not sure what the 3.7 weighs (is it aluminum even?), but they could easily make it lighter if the 5.0 is only 15lbs more than the LS3.
GM really needs to get the ball rolling on some more interesting cars. Aside from the Corvette and Camaro, I never hear anyone talking about how good the new Chevy XXXX is.
GM really needs to get the ball rolling on some more interesting cars. Aside from the Corvette and Camaro, I never hear anyone talking about how good the new Chevy XXXX is.
08-22-2012, 09:57 PM
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undressed vs undressed the LS3 is closer to being 100lbs lighter than the coyotee: (444lbs vs 357lbs)
-looks like Ford is weighing theirs with no flywheel, exhaust manifolds, starter or anything else while GM's crate engines come with all that (and are included in the weight)
http://www.fordracingpartsdirect.com...-6007-m50b.htm
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-t...ed-engine.html
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Possibly, but not likely.
DOHC 24 valve V6 with turbocharger, intercooler(s) and all of the associated turbo/intercooler plumbing versus compact naturally aspirated OHV V8, I dunno.
And Corvettes aren't 5.7L any more, although I suppose that the base C7 could be 5.7L once again.
DOHC 24 valve V6 with turbocharger, intercooler(s) and all of the associated turbo/intercooler plumbing versus compact naturally aspirated OHV V8, I dunno.
And Corvettes aren't 5.7L any more, although I suppose that the base C7 could be 5.7L once again.