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According to Ford Motor Company, the forthcoming Shelby GT350R Mustang is as quick around a racetrack as the Porsche 911 GT3. Well, one track anyway. In independent testing conducted at Grattan Raceway in Belding, Michigan, the Ford Shelby GT350R Mustang posted a lap time equal to that of the Porsche 911 GT3 and one second faster than the Camaro Z/28. That should amp up the ongoing Mustang-Camaro wars. The ball's in your court, Chevrolet.

Ford says the GT350R will weigh 3650 pounds, 130 less than a Mustang GT with the available Track Package



The GT350, on the other hand, does have a rear seat, a/c and a radio, though it doesn't get the carbon fiber wheels. Ford quotes a weight of 3760 pounds for the GT350.


http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...at-camaro-z-28
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So where is the "Ring " times?

Who cares what it laps Grattan at except a few Michigan guys.

We want Ring times but Ford won't do that.
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Originally Posted by transamtom
So where is the "Ring " times?

Who cares what it laps Grattan at except a few Michigan guys.

We want Ring times but Ford won't do that.
if it kills the Z28 by 5 seconds at the Ring you will want lime rock times. if it kills the z28 at lime rock by three seconds you'll want Laguna seca times, etc.


the z28 loses at this track. your comments are irrelevant.
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http://wot.motortrend.com/2016_ford_...irst_ride.html




This Mustang flies. Ford engineers said that they benchmarked Porsche for its dynamics and performance. Ultimately, on Grattan's two-mile track, Ford says that that the GT350R beats the 911 by .1 seconds.


http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...ustang-gt350r/


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We also managed to personally examine the GT350R’s much-ballyhooed 19-inch carbon-fiber wheels, which are said to save 60 pounds total over the aluminum ones fitted to the GT350. Light enough to lift with one hand—approximately 18 pounds each—the carbon wheels are finished in a sinister gloss black so smooth you can practically see into the abyss. Measuring 11 inches wide in the front and 11.5 inches wide at the back, the wheels wear Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires (305/30 front and 315/30 rear) that were specially engineered for the GT350R.



The GT350 will start at $48,695 and the R will add $13,500 for a grand total of $62,195, including destination.

We’ll be champing at the bit for a month until we finally get to drive this thing at Laguna Seca. Stay tuned.
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The first bit of news on the 2015 Shelby GT350R Mustang announced yesterday was the curb weight and at 3,650 pounds, the new Shelby R isn’t the lightest Mustang ever, but it is lighter than the 2015 Camaro Z28 by around 170 pounds (Z28 weighs 3,820).


The weight difference when compared to the 2015 Camaro Z28 is a big deal, but the even bigger news came next – as Ford announced that the GT350R was faster around Grattan than both the Camaro Z28 and the Porsche 911 GT3 RS.
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Originally Posted by transamtom
So where is the "Ring " times?

Who cares what it laps Grattan at except a few Michigan guys.

We want Ring times but Ford won't do that.


Dude, seriously?
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Originally Posted by assasinator
if it kills the Z28 by 5 seconds at the Ring you will want lime rock times. if it kills the z28 at lime rock by three seconds you'll want Laguna seca times, etc.


the z28 loses at this track. your comments are irrelevant.
You have alot of if's goin on there assin.

I think these cars will be close and my go back and forth. The "Ring" time for the Z was in less than good conditions. I read somewhere where it had been 7.31-7.31 in testing there.....with no rain.
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probably. I still hate road racing. the story hurts someone's shining star that can nevah lose. Z28. if they built the Z for drag racing it would be epic. but alas road racing that NOBODY does is the purpose.
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Road racing stretches all the dynamics of a car and is alot more expensive to do. It also requires good maintenance. You can run about any old pos down a drag strip.....but I agree. It would be cool to see the manufacturers focus on a car that would be more drag oriented just for another model to play with. The thing is since these cars are so capable everywhere they are also safer. Cars being produced today are pretty damn powerful.
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Originally Posted by assasinator
probably. I still hate road racing. the story hurts someone's shining star that can nevah lose. Z28. if they built the Z for drag racing it would be epic. but alas road racing that NOBODY does is the purpose.
They built the COPO for drag racing.
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We're talking about a real production oriented car......not some drag only ****.
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Originally Posted by transamtom
So where is the "Ring " times?

Who cares what it laps Grattan at except a few Michigan guys.

We want Ring times but Ford won't do that.
Surely you know that ring times aren't allowed to be published by manufacturers anymore, so it doesn't matter what happened there anymore.

In all honesty, it simply never did matter what happened there, considering that about 99% of Camaro and Mustang owners will never get to Germany, even w/o their cars. At least most have a CHANCE to get to Grattan... or any number of hundreds of other American tracks. If an American track time doesn't matter to you, why would a time from a German track you'll likely never see for yourself? I don't mean you specifically, but the masses specifically.

Beyond that, the R, as has been stated ad nauseam, is bound to be faster than the Z/28. It's got a higher top speed, more power, weighs less, needs fewer gear changes, etc. How would anyone logically expect the Z/28 to outrun it? Because it costs more and more expensive means faster?
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I like the car and that's great news.
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What are the exact differences between the GT350 and the R? Wheels, wing, no radio, no AC? What else?
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The R only has 2 seats too.
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Does the regular GT350 have the huge brakes and same suspension? If so, for me, that would be the car to get. Gotta have my AC. lol
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Originally Posted by It'llrun
Surely you know that ring times aren't allowed to be published by manufacturers anymore, so it doesn't matter what happened there anymore.

In all honesty, it simply never did matter what happened there, considering that about 99% of Camaro and Mustang owners will never get to Germany, even w/o their cars. At least most have a CHANCE to get to Grattan... or any number of hundreds of other American tracks. If an American track time doesn't matter to you, why would a time from a German track you'll likely never see for yourself? I don't mean you specifically, but the masses specifically.

Beyond that, the R, as has been stated ad nauseam, is bound to be faster than the Z/28. It's got a higher top speed, more power, weighs less, needs fewer gear changes, etc. How would anyone logically expect the Z/28 to outrun it? Because it costs more and more expensive means faster?
Oh I know and agree with most of what you say.

I am sure GM could go find a track that suits the Z/28 better(they probably won't)

The new Gen 6 will take care of the new kids on the block at some point.
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Unfortunately the Ring has a new owner, and it is not 100% certain that it will be available as the benchmark for fast street cars in the future...
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Vir/Laguna are great venues for future comparisons.


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