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http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/19/au...rssnyt&emc=rss


Bleek times folks. Stay tuned.

technical

Before GM goes and scraps Pontiac they should just release them so that Pontiac could do business on their own. This way the dealerships can stay in business too. I saw a new Grand Prix on the road yesterday. Now I know why Pontiac sales have been hurting.
Time for a new designer...


Buick is fucked unless it can pull off a Caddy-like resurrection.

sb427f-car

Yeah, I know this isn't new news...but the fact that the NY Times has finally picked up on it means that it's more mainstream now.

TriShield

They will shed another brand, it's just a matter of time. Oldsmobile recieved new products too before it was cut.

2000 SILVERADO

My next vehicle is probably going to be a ford. I know GM is going through hard times right now, but some of their stuff is just BS. Like the SS badge, why???? Why would they slap it on a cobalt or even a malibu? And the SSR and HHR? WHY???? They really just don't care what comes out of the factory anymore. Do they even know what people want, or are they just slingin' crap they think will sell? It sure seems that way.

WECIV

If only they would make a cheaper Goat or Vette they could win me over. However, GM is majorly out to pasture. 2000 Silverado said it just like a I feel it.

demonspeed

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I like the HHR. It will be a good product I think for Chevrolet. I also like the Equinox, but is it really needed to have the Torrent? Does Pontiac also need the SV6? The Solstice is a great car and should do comparitively well for Pontiac, but why does Saturn need the Sky? All that stuff has been brought up as the big problem for GM. Too many in house vehicles competing against eachother. It's silly.

• Make Saturn the "import" brand for people to cross over from their Hondas and stuff into the GM realm.
• Make Pontiac have ONLY cars that offer the "excitement" they supposedly tout around (and compete with the likes of Acura and Infinity).
• DROP BUICK.
• Give GMC ONLY the Sierra half-ton Denali, Yukon Denali, and Envoy Denali.
• Leave Cadillac alone for now.
• Do we really need a H3???
• Does Saab offer anything worthwhile and does it make money?
• Chevrolet needs to be the most important brand in the GM lineup. It's what everyone thinks when they think GM. Step the quality up BIG TIME and give us a 5th gen Camaro Did I mention step up the quality?
• Oh yeah, and get that STUPID SSR OUT OF HERE!

Ok, I'm done.

FWIW, I'm buying a Ford to replace my Camaro - and yet, my family has owned GM's for at least 4 generations. Good job GM - win me back.

WECIV

I think we are all buying Fords to replace our Maros, we haven't a choice.

demonspeed

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Sure we do, we can go buy a Corvette, GTO, or SSR.

2000 SILVERADO

I wonder how much more GM can take before they're out of business. I give them 8-10 months.

technical

If they are destined to die, it will take a min of 5-7 years. They still have a respectable market share even though it has dwindled. Until new management can be installed, there is little hope. If Putz and ilk haven't figured out that they should have done something impressive 5-6 year ago, then they won't figure it out now. New designs and a broader vision will be necessary to revamp the General. They need to make every car, truck, minivan, and suv exciting affordable and do it all at once. This piece-meal crap will utlimately sink the company.

Diolar Magnum

ditto

distortion_69

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Has the thought of selling Oldsmobile or Buick ever been in their mind? I mean both brands are sort of near extinct.. I'm sure SOMEONE out there would like to own a car brand though.. lol.

That would keep alot of workers.. car dealerships, issues such as that off of GM's back, along with put some money in their pocket.. despite the large losses. Afterall.. it wouldn't taken but one or two actually APPEALING vehicles to get buick and oldsmobile back into the game. Something that some businessman with enough intuition to do it could do with the right initial investment.

Peace,
Josh

technical

Oldsmobile esta mucho defuncto...y muerte.

Diolar Magnum

Olds is already gone, and I think they would dump Buick before Pontiac. I dont even know actually why that is being brought up. As far as I know Pointiac is still a big money maker, though personally I dont think their new G6 is anythign to brag abut like they say it is. The concept was, not the production car though.

just my .02 tho,
Brad

DrkPhx

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If GM cuts Pontiac and not Buick that would be BS. Here's the reason for the problem "Last year, the company spent more than $5 billion on health care alone." 5 f-ing billion dollars on health care for it's workers, retirees and families. No wonder they are in trouble, but the real question is why didn't they see this coming? It's not like it happened overnight. They need to get a CEO with a vested interest in GM and who really cares about making a difference; not some CEO-for-Hire.

sb427f-car

Not to mention the worthless investments in the likes of Fiat

Red Shift

Would it have anything with the UAW?

Red Shift

$1500 per car on health care.

10.5 Dave

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Health care costs are a big problem,but loss of market share is worse.

I think they will lose even more market share with the goofy looking stuff they have came out with lately.