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Old 01-16-2008, 07:46 AM
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Default 40-cent Gasoline-Tax INCREASE Proposed

People need to call their US Respresntatives and Senators and tell them NO! to a large tax increase on a gallon of gas.

From an article in the AP today, a panel created by congress is calling for immediate action. They say that since the last time the federal gas tax was increased was in 1993, we have a desperate need to increase the tax by $0.40/gallon over the next 5 years. They also propose indexing the tax to inflation, so it would be automatically increased each year based on the rate of inflation.

The thing is, the money from the gas tax gets spent for many things other than the highways we drive on with the gas we buy. The article states that the money would be used to fix the infrastructure, expand public transit and highways, as well as broaden railway and rural access.

I retired from the "road " business and I watched our elected oficials all over the country absolutely **** the money at "pet" projects for my 30+ year career. Now they want us to pay more, increase it automatically so it doesn't take a vote, and expand and revitalize public transportation even to a greater extent with the tax from gas.

On a positive note, Rep. Mica from Florida is quoted as saying a "dramatic increase doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of passing..." But everybody who drives a car should be telling these jokers we want gas taxes spent on highways, and that the people riding public transportation and the railways need to fund their own needs.
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WTF we cannot afford more expensive gas!!!

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who is trying to push this through? demo's or rep's or both?
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What a great idea.

This group should win something for such a great idea. Surely this .40 cents per gal would help with millions and millions of new jobs. This would be great for our already slow economy. Charge another .40 cents per gal over the next five years.

I don't know about you sports fans but in the last ten years I have given up boating, racing, and driving from Ohio to the farm in Tennessee. All because of the cost of fuel and every other product going up and up and up while the value of my holdings go down and down

I think it's time to replace all political office holders. They seldom represent the districts or individuals who sent them to political office. I am not picking on a political party over another. I am saying ALL in general are the same:

An old man and his dog!
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im already going broke buying gas for my gas guzzler
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smart car + Busa 1300 = Good Gas & Fun to drive
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If they take this .4 of a dollar and put it into solar and wind power then fine...but otherwise no!!! I think a sacrifice for a goal is fine...but not just to feed the ******* beast that is our fed gov.

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If they raise the gas tax, but lower the income tax, I'm all for it. But if there is no tax trade-off, then no thanks.
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LOL, funny thing is all they would have to do is tell you they would spend it on alternate energy sources, and everyone would jump on it. Yeah, and then 10 years later we would wonder why they are asking for another large hike when the same people asking are the ones raking in all the money.

GET REAL, the last thing this government needs is more money, they need governing!

This is what happens when we start letting the government govern itself.
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The gov actually spends a significant amount of money on alternative energies, else there is nil incentive for the industries to pursue alt. energy because it is not entirely cost effective. There are serious subsidies going on, especially wind power how else do you think companies would move to plunk down big money for 225 ton unreliable generators sitting a couple hundred feet in the air on speculation alone?

As for the gas tax, believe me, you'll be thanking them for just 40cents a gallon. Wait till you see the entire sum of infrastructure upgrades and medical costs, which we'll probably have a better idea of in 5-10 years. The heyday of low taxes is waning varying on how bad the relative economies are going to be.
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Originally Posted by OKcruising
The gov actually spends a significant amount of money on alternative energies, else there is nil incentive for the industries to pursue alt. energy because it is not entirely cost effective. There are serious subsidies going on, especially wind power how else do you think companies would move to plunk down big money for 225 ton unreliable generators sitting a couple hundred feet in the air on speculation alone?

As for the gas tax, believe me, you'll be thanking them for just 40cents a gallon. Wait till you see the entire sum of infrastructure upgrades and medical costs, which we'll probably have a better idea of in 5-10 years. The heyday of low taxes is waning varying on how bad the relative economies are going to be.


Gotta love socialists.

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Originally Posted by OKcruising
The gov actually spends a significant amount of money on alternative energies, else there is nil incentive for the industries to pursue alt. energy because it is not entirely cost effective. There are serious subsidies going on, especially wind power how else do you think companies would move to plunk down big money for 225 ton unreliable generators sitting a couple hundred feet in the air on speculation alone?

As for the gas tax, believe me, you'll be thanking them for just 40cents a gallon. Wait till you see the entire sum of infrastructure upgrades and medical costs, which we'll probably have a better idea of in 5-10 years. The heyday of low taxes is waning varying on how bad the relative economies are going to be.
can i have what youre smoking because youre obviously out of touch with reality. the govt is NOT activily searching for a good renewable resource. case in point... corn based ethanol... WAY to expensive in so many ways to make so umm.. yea.. but the farm lobby is a powerful one
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the election coming up is extremely important for those of us you don't want taxes going through the roof and ridiculous bills like this getting passed... this would ensure that we go into a recession, like some of us are hoping isn't happening right now
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Originally Posted by ChaseSS
the election coming up is extremely important for those of us you don't want taxes going through the roof and ridiculous bills like this getting passed... this would ensure that we go into a recession, like some of us are hoping isn't happening right now
They're all gonna raise taxes and pass illegal laws. But the jackass party (lol, they could not have picked a more appropriate mascot ) will be worse, increase socialism, and above all, try to eliminate the 2nd Amendment <- really the only issue that matters in any election anymore (as in stopping them from doing it).

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They could save money in so many ways instead of raising taxes (they could start by leaving the space shuttle on the ground). I thought the taxes I have been paying was for infrustrucure stuff. No more taxes.
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Can you have what I'm smoking? No, because the alt. energy sector is doing me quite well at the moment . I'm also well aware of farm subsidies, and believe me... that **** is a gravy train for the large ops not for the paper millionaires(estate taxes will be killing off a large majority of farms not held by companies). But you'd be remiss to think that the gov't isn't spending a lot of coin to funnel to other forms of alternative energy; it has to serve corporate interests as well ya know!

The gov't doesnt search for alt. energy, it's congresses buzzword to appear green.

your vastly out of touch if you think that Big Oil isn't heavily involved with the alternative energies on the implementation side. In fact, they are some of the largest interests in the american alt. energy sector.

Remember: No one cried for the oil companies and their painfully hurting wallets in the early 90's. Why should they care now?


I can't vote for some of the republicans, and I sure as hell can't for the democrats. There's no sensible choice for me. Add to it the medium/long-range economic forecasts and you've got a perfect storm that needs a flawless pilot to guide it through.

Funny how both moderate repubs and dems recently formed a panel discussing this very nightmarish scenario and how the president elected in '08 will be a make or break for the country's.

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this whole country is ran by gas prices...if they go up, everything that you need or want will go up due to transporting fees and whatnot...if you jack with one item in the economy it will cause a chain reaction...i believe the best bet to lower the amount of oil usage is to limit the amount of kids familys are allowed (ie. like china does) just my $.02
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Originally Posted by crazboy99
i believe the best bet to lower the amount of oil usage is to limit the amount of kids familys are allowed (ie. like china does) just my $.02
...oil, food, timber, natural growth woods, water (a bigger concern than people realize), electricity (and thereby anything used to create it), and of course, space.

We are severely over populated. Mostly due to immigration, so slamming that door is the first step, but ONLY the first step.
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You should try running an F-body over here! Fuel here is £4.77 per gallon on average which is about $9.40 per gallon at todays exchange rate!
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Originally Posted by OKcruising
The gov actually spends a significant amount of money on alternative energies, else there is nil incentive for the industries to pursue alt. energy because it is not entirely cost effective. There are serious subsidies going on, especially wind power how else do you think companies would move to plunk down big money for 225 ton unreliable generators sitting a couple hundred feet in the air on speculation alone?

As for the gas tax, believe me, you'll be thanking them for just 40cents a gallon. Wait till you see the entire sum of infrastructure upgrades and medical costs, which we'll probably have a better idea of in 5-10 years. The heyday of low taxes is waning varying on how bad the relative economies are going to be.
And that sounds like the disillusion of a child, The government profits from oil, just like all the big dog oil companies. The government isn't looking out for OUR best interests, they are to busy wildly spending the money we already dish out to them. Rather than take the time to revise their budget they want to ask for MORE, do you really believe what we already pay for gas is totally necessary?

These big oil companies will get serious about Alt. energy when they feel the hurt and not a moment too soon, because they are raking in the cash, and so is our government. With such large profits your telling me we are running out of oil, yet they see record profit margins? Hah right.... They just continue to want more and more.

I would never THANK my government for a 40 cent hike when i see what goes on everyday...This is a democracy, I shouldn't have to worry about being taxed for even more than I think is fair because I can vote.

Also I can't afford medical care because i pay for people, who don't deserve it, to have it. How right is that? Or take notice of the disappearing middle class, the accumulation of wealth up top...what does that tell you? Like they need more of my money.

Don't always believe what Big Daddy (the government) tells you. If you think that a business that big doesn't advertise/spew propaganda for their benefit like any other ambitious company, your pretty blind.
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