Detailed pics of pacesetter headers...
09-26-2011, 07:45 PM
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Detailed pics of pacesetter headers... So I decided to pull the plug on pacesetter's vs. paying 3 times that for Kooks. I understand the security the extra cost brings you, but i'm willing to take my chances.
$385 shipped to my door, Got black stainless zip ties, and 2 rolls of 50' rolls of Black heat wrap.
Oh and I have other goodies too but you'll have to wait to see what's in the box's until it's finished.
$385 shipped to my door, Got black stainless zip ties, and 2 rolls of 50' rolls of Black heat wrap.
Oh and I have other goodies too but you'll have to wait to see what's in the box's until it's finished.
09-26-2011, 08:01 PM
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Good choice, Doc. I bought the exact same pair for the exact same reasons. Had them installed by Tick Performance. No problems with the installation. They made a HUGE difference both in performance and sound. I elected not to wrap mine, I like seeing a little chrome squinting up at me from the engine bay lol. Based on the cost you mentioned, I think we got ours at the same online retailer. Hope you enjoy yours as much as I did mine!
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09-27-2011, 08:22 AM
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I love my pacesetters! The fit was perfect, quality is good. Only complaint is that they are about 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch longer than the factory manifold & cats were. So my exhaust tips stick out a bit more than when I had the factory stuff on. Otherwise I know I am 100% happy with mine.
09-27-2011, 09:37 AM
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Funny, cause as soon as you posted these the quantity of the seller went down from 3 available to 1 available) I just bought the last one))) yep 380 something shipped to my door... Cant beat that
Oh and for the record people all the ones on ebay are way overpriced...HINT check amazon
B4 I forget... Was wondering I you guys needed the o2 extention harness w these. And also I am trying to stay emission compliant for future not to have inspection issues. I didn't order the "off-road" extentions which I believe eliminate the cats. What do I do (hiflo cats, custom fit to the one's I got, or what???) Any suggestions greatly appreciated
Oh and for the record people all the ones on ebay are way overpriced...HINT check amazon
B4 I forget... Was wondering I you guys needed the o2 extention harness w these. And also I am trying to stay emission compliant for future not to have inspection issues. I didn't order the "off-road" extentions which I believe eliminate the cats. What do I do (hiflo cats, custom fit to the one's I got, or what???) Any suggestions greatly appreciated
09-27-2011, 11:25 AM
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B4 I forget... Was wondering I you guys needed the o2 extention harness w these. And also I am trying to stay emission compliant for future not to have inspection issues. I didn't order the "off-road" extentions which I believe eliminate the cats. What do I do (hiflo cats, custom fit to the one's I got, or what???) Any suggestions greatly appreciated
09-27-2011, 07:54 PM
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Hey Cammin; where in NC are you located? I see you got your tune from Nick Williams who I believe now works at Heintz Racing in Mooresville. I gather you're enjoying your Pacesetters. I also was debating what to do about cats and was advised otherwise lol.
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09-27-2011, 08:06 PM
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Looks like good (enough) quality and the price is good for sure...I am thinking about buying these as well, if I keep the car, since they are also made in USA, right?
Without seeing them side by side, there may be slight performance difference between the two, depending on the primary exit design length, bends, collector and so on, but for the 1 3/4" I bet they are close enough to not drop the extra $$ on the stainless versions (kooks, SW, etc.)...
Now if I were going with 1 7/8" then it doesn't sound like PS makes that size and there is where I'll pay 2-3X more to avoid chinese ripoffs, even if I don't agree the price is reasonable for what you get (IMO, they should be ~$650-700 being they're SS they will be higher, although you still have to coat them in/out for thermal protection so not sure the benefit of spending the extra for SS)...
Without seeing them side by side, there may be slight performance difference between the two, depending on the primary exit design length, bends, collector and so on, but for the 1 3/4" I bet they are close enough to not drop the extra $$ on the stainless versions (kooks, SW, etc.)...
Now if I were going with 1 7/8" then it doesn't sound like PS makes that size and there is where I'll pay 2-3X more to avoid chinese ripoffs, even if I don't agree the price is reasonable for what you get (IMO, they should be ~$650-700 being they're SS they will be higher, although you still have to coat them in/out for thermal protection so not sure the benefit of spending the extra for SS)...
09-28-2011, 10:12 AM
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kl2onik: I hear you on the inspection thing. I have a year before inspection is due. That gives me time to either (a) get cats installed somehow/somewhere, or (b) find an inspection station that won't look to see if I have cats. In most areas of NC (if not the entire state), emissions is a visual inspection (no tailpipe sniffer). As long as you're not throwing any codes and don't have any apparent exhaust leaks, you pass. But if they look and don't see cats, you fail. Apparently there are MANY places that don't look for cats, and with my tune the O2's are eliminated via software. So no CEL's. Good luck!
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Everyone keeps arguing the 1-7/8's have bigger performance gains but that's only if u are running FI. On N/A cars, 1-3/4's is plenty. To each their own but why go 1-7/8 on a N/A car just to have more clearance issues and no substantial benefit?
Btw, I'm running kooks on the V but I've run PS on past vehicle and they are nice quality for the money. I would have gone that route if I didn't find my new kooks for cheap.
Oh... Btw, 1-3/4 actually has a slight torque advantage over the 1-7/8's... Not enough to see other than on a dyno so it's negligible but that just shows 1-3/4's are just fine on these cars. This is coming from a buddy of mine who owns a reputable shop and who I got my info from when u was trying to decide on which to run on my car.
Btw, I'm running kooks on the V but I've run PS on past vehicle and they are nice quality for the money. I would have gone that route if I didn't find my new kooks for cheap.
Oh... Btw, 1-3/4 actually has a slight torque advantage over the 1-7/8's... Not enough to see other than on a dyno so it's negligible but that just shows 1-3/4's are just fine on these cars. This is coming from a buddy of mine who owns a reputable shop and who I got my info from when u was trying to decide on which to run on my car.
09-28-2011, 01:29 PM
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Marc...Sadly in PA they are now doing the **** that hooks to your muffler and reads for codes not just a visual. I just bought a tuner today...so r you saying that I should be able to clear the emissions by tuning it prior to the actual inspection and the codes wont show up during the emission inspection or you just meant I can clear the o2 codes on my car cause the cats will be gone while I'm driving it around?