V2 tr6060 into V1
10-25-2015, 07:31 AM
#41
10-29-2015, 12:25 PM
#45
10-29-2015, 01:30 PM
#46
I haven't read through everything but it sounds like maybe someone mentioned my setup. Call Rockland Standard Gear in NY amd ask for George. The guy is a genius when it
Comes to trans' and they don't BS your or pressure you to buy. I told them exactly what I needed after I blew the tick upgraded stocker I had apart and they built me a Tranzilla. It wasn't cheap ($3400) i believe, but if you have a sell-able T56 that's much less painful. Mine has been holding 800+whp and 4,000rpm clutch drops on slicks for quite a while and begs for more. Drives like a dream. Any questions just shoot me a pm
Comes to trans' and they don't BS your or pressure you to buy. I told them exactly what I needed after I blew the tick upgraded stocker I had apart and they built me a Tranzilla. It wasn't cheap ($3400) i believe, but if you have a sell-able T56 that's much less painful. Mine has been holding 800+whp and 4,000rpm clutch drops on slicks for quite a while and begs for more. Drives like a dream. Any questions just shoot me a pm
10-29-2015, 09:13 PM
#48
There was one option to upgrade to some fancy gearset which would have been even more expensive. I was talked OUT of that upgrade even after telling them I planned on adding nitrous to the car in the future on top of the 8-850whp I was already making at 4100lbs
10-30-2015, 11:28 AM
#50
I called Jason down at TDP (thanks NIKDSC5) and talked with him about this because I wasn't able to get anyone on the phone at Rockland Gear that knew anything about it. Leave a message at Rockland or try TDP so I tried TDP.
Jason said the 6060 internals can be swapped into the V1 t56 with some case machining work. When asked about price, he couldn't commit necessarily and I understand why, its not something you do everyday but he pretty much said if you had a donor 6060, you'd come out cheaper that way. He said it didn't really matter what kind of 6060 it is either.
He also said that using a twin disc clutch would require a bellhousing spacer on the swapped t56 as the splines on the input shaft are shorter on the 6060 upgrade.
One of my reasons for entertaining the V2 6060 swap in the first place is the V2 shift shaft and how it comes directly out the tail housing instead of coming out of the top and using the wonky linkage like the V1 does. He asked me to send him some pictures of the V2 transmission and he would render an opinion about whether or not a V1 t56 could be converted to a V2 shift rail and shifter and whether or not its worth it. I'm curious as to why GM would completely re-engineer the V2 shift rail if there weren't improvements to be had and he seemed curious as well so I look forward to his take on it.
Jason said the 6060 internals can be swapped into the V1 t56 with some case machining work. When asked about price, he couldn't commit necessarily and I understand why, its not something you do everyday but he pretty much said if you had a donor 6060, you'd come out cheaper that way. He said it didn't really matter what kind of 6060 it is either.
He also said that using a twin disc clutch would require a bellhousing spacer on the swapped t56 as the splines on the input shaft are shorter on the 6060 upgrade.
One of my reasons for entertaining the V2 6060 swap in the first place is the V2 shift shaft and how it comes directly out the tail housing instead of coming out of the top and using the wonky linkage like the V1 does. He asked me to send him some pictures of the V2 transmission and he would render an opinion about whether or not a V1 t56 could be converted to a V2 shift rail and shifter and whether or not its worth it. I'm curious as to why GM would completely re-engineer the V2 shift rail if there weren't improvements to be had and he seemed curious as well so I look forward to his take on it.
10-30-2015, 03:17 PM
#52
http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums...005-cts-v.html
http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums...0-upgrade.html
I emailed Jason this V2 transmission pic to get his opinion if its possible or if it makes sense to upgrade a t56 to this setup. Never know, it could be easy.
http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums...0-upgrade.html
I emailed Jason this V2 transmission pic to get his opinion if its possible or if it makes sense to upgrade a t56 to this setup. Never know, it could be easy.
Last edited by ls1247; 10-30-2015 at 03:44 PM.
10-31-2015, 01:22 PM
#53
Jason agreed that the V2 shift shaft assembly looks to be significantly more efficient that the V1 setup but didn't really shed any light on whether it would be an easy install into the t56. He pretty much said you'd need to buy a V2 trans to get all the parts so that's kind of a dead end.
I kinda expected that but it never hurts to ask.
I sent him back an email asking for a quote to put new 6060 internals into the t56 (parts and labor) because buying a used 6060 and shipping it to him along with the t56 sounds pricey by the time you buy the 6060, pack it and pay for the freight.
I kinda expected that but it never hurts to ask.
I sent him back an email asking for a quote to put new 6060 internals into the t56 (parts and labor) because buying a used 6060 and shipping it to him along with the t56 sounds pricey by the time you buy the 6060, pack it and pay for the freight.
11-01-2015, 05:53 PM
#54
You're saying no one at Rockland Standard knew about the transmissions they sell? I find that hard to believe. Everyone I spoke to was VERY knowledgable and hooked me up no problem. I run a twin disk as well and don't have any kind of spacer, it does have a magnum front though which is also stronger.
11-01-2015, 06:39 PM
#55
You're saying no one at Rockland Standard knew about the transmissions they sell? I find that hard to believe. Everyone I spoke to was VERY knowledgable and hooked me up no problem. I run a twin disk as well and don't have any kind of spacer, it does have a magnum front though which is also stronger.
11-03-2015, 09:37 AM
#56
In a timely fashion, Jason from TDP sent me this....
I can give you a rough estimate. It is 350 labor to disassemble/reassemble the trans. The conversion cost is going to be around 600-700 in parts/machine labor, plus the cost of the TR6060 gearset. If we buy all the innards brand new then it will be somewhere around 1500. Then a new set of syncro rngs and upgraded for pads. I can also deduct the cost of all the good internals remaining from your transmission which would be anywhere from 500-1000 depending on the condition. When it's all said and done, I believe you'll be looking at the low 2000 dollar range. However, if you can manage to locate a TR6060 for a good price, then it will be cheaper/easier to do this swap.
It runs about 100 each way to ship a trans through my account. If you need to do this, I can email a pre-paid label.
I like the fact that they are competent enough to give us credit for used parts. Many companies just won't mess with it because they would rather sell you new stuff but people who know how to get things done will reuse something if its good. I'll give them a lot of credibility for that.
Realistically, you should be able to get your t56 upgraded with new 6060 internals for 3K or so working with TDP, maybe less if your t56 is a gold mine of reusable parts or you find a cherry 6060 for next to nothing but I'd never count on either of those.
The price is right, he has been easy to get in touch with and quick with the responses and they have a good reputation. Sounds like a win all the way around.
Edit....this is a very good option if you need a transmission in a hurry. However, I still think there is some improvement to be had with the V2 shift rail conversion or trans swap. The V2 tailshaft/output shaft also gives us a more stable platform for indexing the driveshaft which can't help but make the car a little smoother IMHO. The t56 in my car now is still functioning and I have a spare t56 sitting here so I have the luxury of continuing to investigate this swap. If a used V2 6060 crosses my path, I'll buy it and see what happens because, if swapping the whole transmission over doesn't seem very feasible, Jason can use the internals to upgrade one of my t56s.
I can give you a rough estimate. It is 350 labor to disassemble/reassemble the trans. The conversion cost is going to be around 600-700 in parts/machine labor, plus the cost of the TR6060 gearset. If we buy all the innards brand new then it will be somewhere around 1500. Then a new set of syncro rngs and upgraded for pads. I can also deduct the cost of all the good internals remaining from your transmission which would be anywhere from 500-1000 depending on the condition. When it's all said and done, I believe you'll be looking at the low 2000 dollar range. However, if you can manage to locate a TR6060 for a good price, then it will be cheaper/easier to do this swap.
It runs about 100 each way to ship a trans through my account. If you need to do this, I can email a pre-paid label.
I like the fact that they are competent enough to give us credit for used parts. Many companies just won't mess with it because they would rather sell you new stuff but people who know how to get things done will reuse something if its good. I'll give them a lot of credibility for that.
Realistically, you should be able to get your t56 upgraded with new 6060 internals for 3K or so working with TDP, maybe less if your t56 is a gold mine of reusable parts or you find a cherry 6060 for next to nothing but I'd never count on either of those.
The price is right, he has been easy to get in touch with and quick with the responses and they have a good reputation. Sounds like a win all the way around.
Edit....this is a very good option if you need a transmission in a hurry. However, I still think there is some improvement to be had with the V2 shift rail conversion or trans swap. The V2 tailshaft/output shaft also gives us a more stable platform for indexing the driveshaft which can't help but make the car a little smoother IMHO. The t56 in my car now is still functioning and I have a spare t56 sitting here so I have the luxury of continuing to investigate this swap. If a used V2 6060 crosses my path, I'll buy it and see what happens because, if swapping the whole transmission over doesn't seem very feasible, Jason can use the internals to upgrade one of my t56s.
Last edited by ls1247; 11-03-2015 at 12:57 PM.
11-04-2015, 07:36 AM
#59
Do you think it's possible that I nurse what i have because spending 3k on a car as old as mine is a little hard to swallow? Think its possible ill be upgrading the old ls6 at some point and may actually need the added capacity of the 6060? Think its a possibility that I may actually want to beat on this car someday instead of treating it like a car with 238k miles on it?
Just so you know, this is what "car guy" logic is.
If you bothered to read the thread, you'd have learned that I missed an opportunity to buy a v2 6060 for $1500 on eBay. Is it possible that I could get $1200 out off my old t56 and swap that 6060 in the car and come out for less than a grand on the deal with just a little skill and patience? Beyond that, why spend 3k upgrading a t56 when I can buy a brand new 6060 for less than that and, if the swap isn't crazy hard, get it in the car and realize the presumed benefits of the v2 6060 for less money and still have the old t56 to sell to guys who don't understand "car logic".
The object of this thread is to figure out just how possible these scenarios are because frankly, I don't know and apparently no one else does either.
Last edited by ls1247; 11-04-2015 at 07:45 AM.
11-04-2015, 08:44 AM
#60
Well I didn't think it was necessary to begin with then LBAR made his post... LS1247 Thanks! I will very likely need a new tranny soon as mine is showing signs that failure is imminent. I appreciate the info provided in this thread as I never thought the shifting of the stock unit was very good to begin with (even with all of the band-aids applied). When I initially looked into this it was going to be a $4K investment for the Transzilla. I will also be on the lookout for a used 6060 for cheap to get the costs lower.
