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Old 02-27-2014, 09:14 PM
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Guys I've searched with no luck. I picked up my V last fall and it has 130k on the clock should I freshen up the valve springs and timing chain. Car runs flawless as of now and this would be more piece of mind I guess. Thanks
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http://www.tickperformance.com/tick-...r-ls2-engines/

Valve springs and a Timing Chain looks like you are 98% to the cam right
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Do an oil pump too.
I did oil pump, timing chain, valve springs (LS9) and valve seals, and a new balancer for peace of mind last year in my LS6. It now sits at 121k miles.
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Originally Posted by cgroh89
http://www.tickperformance.com/tick-...r-ls2-engines/

Valve springs and a Timing Chain looks like you are 98% to the cam right
Only $1100 more after a tune!!
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If you are going to leave it stock change the valvesprings as a minimum. The GM blue or yellow springs should be fine.
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160k here and you guys are making me worry.
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Originally Posted by chitown21y
160k here and you guys are making me worry.
No kidding. 145K for me. It's an easy fix, but still...

Edit: Easy to replace, I should say.
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As the others said. Ls2 chain and the ls6 blue or yellow springs. And possibly valve stem seals. We have the comp spring compressor tool also. It makes the job 10x easier. Some people will also put in an oil pump at the same time.

Also dont forget the balancer installer. Or a handy set of oven mitts!
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I coming to the conclusion that the ls6 valve springs are suspect but have we seen any mileage related failures of the timing chain set or the oil pumps???
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Originally Posted by ls1247
I coming to the conclusion that the ls6 valve springs are suspect but have we seen any mileage related failures of the timing chain set or the oil pumps???
Only the first/early gen LS6 valve springs have premature failures. I don't know of many/ if any newer LS6 valve spring failures on a stock engine.
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Valvesprings, yes. Oil pumps, not that I can think of, however I have seen some low oil pressure threads which may or may not be related. I can't think of a timing chain failure I've seen either outside of my dad's 1987 Mercedes 300SDL 10 years ago.
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If you have not seen the many many threads on a stretched timing chain, you have not researched at all. And oil pumps wear just like any other engine part.
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Originally Posted by Onefast V

Only the first/early gen LS6 valve springs have premature failures. I don't know of many/ if any newer LS6 valve spring failures on a stock engine.
My cylinder 5 intake spring broke at 87k miles or so. Not sure if you classify that as early failure or not. To me that doesn't seem bad, almost 90k miles out of a spring. But I would expect a stock spring with stock cam and valvetrain to last a bit longer.
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Honestly ls6 yellow or blue springs should not be used on anything larger than a stock cam. They sure dont have the pressure and the new blue springs have a shorter rated max lift. I would upgrade to the Pac 1218/1518 or the Manley beehives if you want a true and good long life spring. IF you are lookin at upgrading.
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Originally Posted by ryridesmotox
My cylinder 5 intake spring broke at 87k miles or so. Not sure if you classify that as early failure or not. To me that doesn't seem bad, almost 90k miles out of a spring. But I would expect a stock spring with stock cam and valvetrain to last a bit longer.
Do you bang on your car pretty hard? Perhaps previous owner did...or just a manufacturing defect.
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Though I haven't had them tested, I believe at least 1 of my stock 104K LS6 valvesprings is at least extremely fatigued. When I pulled the heads I didn't see any breaks, but the engine was displaying the symptoms of having a broken valvespring.
At 104K, there was also an extreme amount of slack in the stock chain. At least .5" of deflection.
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Originally Posted by BudRacing
Valvesprings, yes. Oil pumps, not that I can think of, however I have seen some low oil pressure threads which may or may not be related. I can't think of a timing chain failure I've seen either outside of my dad's 1987 Mercedes 300SDL 10 years ago.
I did a search for stretched timing chain in the cts-v forum and didn't come up with anything. I'll keep looking.

I haven't been into an LS but have done plenty of timing chain replacements on older GM V-8s with the nylon toothed timing chain gears that would actually jump time when the nylon wore out. This is what I call a failure and was the reason many older cars did the timing chain replacement as a preventive maintenance measure.

As far as .5" of slack, based on what I've seen in the past, I wouldn't be to worried about that and won't be digging into a perfectly good running engine unless the LS engine series has been known to be adversely affected by it.
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I am going to just toss some yellow springs back in and seals. Should I replace the keepers also or will they be ok? These the right seals and keepers for the ls6?

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PS there is nothing different from a V and any other LS engine out there. Since they are most similar to the vettes, there are quite a few references about them stretching though.
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All the cathedral ports will use the same valve stem seals along with the LS3. So yes that is the right number.


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