Project Anti-Hop and Traction continues! CS Goodies inside!
07-05-2014, 05:39 PM
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Project Anti-Hop and Traction continues! CS Goodies inside! Some of you may have seen some of the videos of my car on the track. On the drag radials, even with the CS 8.8 I was getting absolutely violent hop. Ultimately the car never hopped on the street with the 8.8, and I naively thought it would be ok at the track as well. The factory cradle bushings as we all well know are trash and contribute to a lot of it.
SO, more Creative Steel goodies were in order.
With the help of the Creative Steel Tool to press the old bushings out, removing them was significantly more simple than not having the tool (not even sure honestly how you'd get them out without a HUGE headache otherwise)
Old JUNK…. Becomes even more apparent why these things suck so bad when you have them in your hand.
In with the new. You can literally press these in by hand, then synch em now when you bolt the subframe back in. Torque specs are conveniently provided with the detailed instructions if you get the tool from CS.
Also decided to go ahead and upgrade the trailing arms and toe rods as well 'while I was in there' This stuff is top notch.
Old Vs New
All in all we had the bushings, trailing arms and toe rods installed, and driving the car on to the alignment rack in around 2.5 hours including eating a pizza and drinking some brews. Obviously having a lift helps tremendously, and I have friends who are damn good with tools which helps a lot as well.
So purty
Main thing I noticed while driving it so far has been the drivetrain noise is much louder, which was expected when going with a stiff poly bushing setup. Like I said before, the wheelhop wasn't really noticeable on the street before, and it obviously still isn't. The next track day will tell the whole story. Can't wait to get it back out there and give it a go
SO, more Creative Steel goodies were in order.
With the help of the Creative Steel Tool to press the old bushings out, removing them was significantly more simple than not having the tool (not even sure honestly how you'd get them out without a HUGE headache otherwise)
Old JUNK…. Becomes even more apparent why these things suck so bad when you have them in your hand.
In with the new. You can literally press these in by hand, then synch em now when you bolt the subframe back in. Torque specs are conveniently provided with the detailed instructions if you get the tool from CS.
Also decided to go ahead and upgrade the trailing arms and toe rods as well 'while I was in there' This stuff is top notch.
Old Vs New
All in all we had the bushings, trailing arms and toe rods installed, and driving the car on to the alignment rack in around 2.5 hours including eating a pizza and drinking some brews. Obviously having a lift helps tremendously, and I have friends who are damn good with tools which helps a lot as well.
So purty
Main thing I noticed while driving it so far has been the drivetrain noise is much louder, which was expected when going with a stiff poly bushing setup. Like I said before, the wheelhop wasn't really noticeable on the street before, and it obviously still isn't. The next track day will tell the whole story. Can't wait to get it back out there and give it a go
07-05-2014, 09:07 PM
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I still would love to try a set of subframe connectors. Maybe run it like this, then add the connectors later to see if its a noticable help or not.
I used to want to cover the blower... But now it has really become this cars calling card. I think it's gonna stay hanging out of the hood for a while. The look on peoples faces when they see it while im out driving around is just too priceless to cover it up you know?
I used to want to cover the blower... But now it has really become this cars calling card. I think it's gonna stay hanging out of the hood for a while. The look on peoples faces when they see it while im out driving around is just too priceless to cover it up you know?
07-06-2014, 04:59 PM
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I still would love to try a set of subframe connectors. Maybe run it like this, then add the connectors later to see if its a noticable help or not.
I used to want to cover the blower... But now it has really become this cars calling card. I think it's gonna stay hanging out of the hood for a while. The look on peoples faces when they see it while im out driving around is just too priceless to cover it up you know?
I used to want to cover the blower... But now it has really become this cars calling card. I think it's gonna stay hanging out of the hood for a while. The look on peoples faces when they see it while im out driving around is just too priceless to cover it up you know?
You have a picture of your car with the blower sticking out?
07-06-2014, 08:30 PM
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I didn't get the ones near the hub. Would it be worthwhile?
Any input on doing the control arm and lower strut mount bushings? I may just order them since I need to make some rear suspension adjustments anyways for when I step up to a larger tire
Any input on doing the control arm and lower strut mount bushings? I may just order them since I need to make some rear suspension adjustments anyways for when I step up to a larger tire
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07-07-2014, 11:28 AM
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I have pulled 1.73 and also a higher 1.7x before. Several other 1.8s. Car has only made 5-6 passes though. I'm searching to find my next track day. Hopefully sooner than later and I will definitely update.
Part of me wants to run again w/ the same tires for sake of comparison (and to continue learning the car, but on the other hand the tires are getting worn, and i am not buying the same set again. I love them, but I can go up in size with the M&H and potentially find some more traction that way as well
Part of me wants to run again w/ the same tires for sake of comparison (and to continue learning the car, but on the other hand the tires are getting worn, and i am not buying the same set again. I love them, but I can go up in size with the M&H and potentially find some more traction that way as well
07-07-2014, 11:41 AM
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I have pulled 1.73 and also a higher 1.7x before. Several other 1.8s. Car has only made 5-6 passes though. I'm searching to find my next track day. Hopefully sooner than later and I will definitely update.
Part of me wants to run again w/ the same tires for sake of comparison (and to continue learning the car, but on the other hand the tires are getting worn, and i am not buying the same set again. I love them, but I can go up in size with the M&H and potentially find some more traction that way as well
Part of me wants to run again w/ the same tires for sake of comparison (and to continue learning the car, but on the other hand the tires are getting worn, and i am not buying the same set again. I love them, but I can go up in size with the M&H and potentially find some more traction that way as well
07-07-2014, 12:06 PM
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I've fought that battle for years before. There was never a permanent solution. I finally ended up replacing them with stock rubber replacements, which is what I should have done in the first place. Poly has its places, and control arm bushings is not one of them.
07-07-2014, 12:48 PM
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07-07-2014, 12:52 PM
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07-07-2014, 12:57 PM
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07-07-2014, 02:26 PM
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Nothing. I had em on a few of my past vehicles... Always squeak. Tried everything. The only time I got a poly bushing to stop squeaking was when it got heated up because I ran the exhaust too close to it and it fell the hell out... It was a shock bushing thank god so it wasn't catastrophic.
