V1 5 lug swap [complete]
03-11-2015, 07:41 AM
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otherwise can you expand upon the ebrake? i'll have to do some digging to see if i can find the differences between the two. if i could order the whole V2 ebrake assembly that'd be pretty awesome.
edit: it looks like the backing plate for the ebrake and the new ebrake components will get the job done, but i haven't been able to find diagrams to compare part numbers. the backing plate might not need to change, but will advise.
edit 2: it looks like the backing plates all have the same part numbers (25851190, 25851205) so the ebrake assembly from the gen5 camaro/V2 should bolt right in and the ebrake should work as intended and might actually work a little better (?).
edit 3: the 04-07 V backing plates are part numbers 88951984, 88951985 so NAF is right. i need the new backing plates, too. at least i know it's a bolt in affair at that point, niiiice.
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03-11-2015, 09:40 AM
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one issue i see with this is that i'm not going to the 6 piston calipers so the V2 front rotors are going to be too big. i have to stick with camaro front rotors because of this.
otherwise can you expand upon the ebrake? i'll have to do some digging to see if i can find the differences between the two. if i could order the whole V2 ebrake assembly that'd be pretty awesome.
edit: it looks like the backing plate for the ebrake and the new ebrake components will get the job done, but i haven't been able to find diagrams to compare part numbers. the backing plate might not need to change, but will advise.
edit 2: it looks like the backing plates all have the same part numbers (25851190, 25851205) so the ebrake assembly from the gen5 camaro/V2 should bolt right in and the ebrake should work as intended and might actually work a little better (?).
otherwise can you expand upon the ebrake? i'll have to do some digging to see if i can find the differences between the two. if i could order the whole V2 ebrake assembly that'd be pretty awesome.
edit: it looks like the backing plate for the ebrake and the new ebrake components will get the job done, but i haven't been able to find diagrams to compare part numbers. the backing plate might not need to change, but will advise.
edit 2: it looks like the backing plates all have the same part numbers (25851190, 25851205) so the ebrake assembly from the gen5 camaro/V2 should bolt right in and the ebrake should work as intended and might actually work a little better (?).
03-12-2015, 02:32 AM
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one issue i see with this is that i'm not going to the 6 piston calipers so the V2 front rotors are going to be too big. i have to stick with camaro front rotors because of this.
otherwise can you expand upon the ebrake? i'll have to do some digging to see if i can find the differences between the two. if i could order the whole V2 ebrake assembly that'd be pretty awesome.
edit: it looks like the backing plate for the ebrake and the new ebrake components will get the job done, but i haven't been able to find diagrams to compare part numbers. the backing plate might not need to change, but will advise.
edit 2: it looks like the backing plates all have the same part numbers (25851190, 25851205) so the ebrake assembly from the gen5 camaro/V2 should bolt right in and the ebrake should work as intended and might actually work a little better (?).
edit 3: the 04-07 V backing plates are part numbers 88951984, 88951985 so NAF is right. i need the new backing plates, too. at least i know it's a bolt in affair at that point, niiiice.
otherwise can you expand upon the ebrake? i'll have to do some digging to see if i can find the differences between the two. if i could order the whole V2 ebrake assembly that'd be pretty awesome.
edit: it looks like the backing plate for the ebrake and the new ebrake components will get the job done, but i haven't been able to find diagrams to compare part numbers. the backing plate might not need to change, but will advise.
edit 2: it looks like the backing plates all have the same part numbers (25851190, 25851205) so the ebrake assembly from the gen5 camaro/V2 should bolt right in and the ebrake should work as intended and might actually work a little better (?).
edit 3: the 04-07 V backing plates are part numbers 88951984, 88951985 so NAF is right. i need the new backing plates, too. at least i know it's a bolt in affair at that point, niiiice.
The V2 caliper gives you the best options for replacement parts tomorro with the best value. The camaro is fine, but then you are still running 365mm rear rotors. Why not take the extra time and get it done properly. I have the V2 2pc slotted front discs with one pc rear rotors. They fit in 18" rims. The back plate pn are corret, you just need to also buy the pads and accessories.
It all bolts in easily...Have fun
03-12-2015, 02:50 AM
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-Stock is 355 vs V2 @ 370
-The four piston would need less oil to use so yes that would lead to less brake pedal movement. But you would OBVIOUSLY be upgrading to SS with the new calipers so the spongy feeling would go away.
-Larger brake pads with the V2
-Lighter weight on the hub for you may run 2pc rotors
-You get Blanks Slotted or cross drilled vs what ever is given for stock...
Slotted 370 with Hawk HPS pads running SS lines with Syn Dot 4 fluid. Thats what i have, and will use to stop my lil girl...
03-12-2015, 04:13 PM
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Ive done this, and I currently have VMR wheels on my car. Its not that hard.
C5 hubs, F&R
STOCK ROTORS Redrilled to 5x4.75
Hubcentric Rings if your new wheels do not conform to the center bore's of your rotors.
DONE. I don't really know why people make this harder than it really is. The hubs bolt in, the ABS adapters click in, and the rotors slide on and your done. No-Ebrake problems, no rotor swap issues, nothing. I swapped mine on in 1 hour for all 4.
I did Slotted rotors for $130 for all 4 (I know a deal)
I did NEW Hubs, via EBAY $180
I did hubcentric spacers from Amazon $22
Wheels were my choice, of spec and style, but it is now a 5x4.75 so I can swap to my hearts content!
VMR V701
19x8.5 et35 Front
19x9.5 et33 Rear
255/35/19 PS2's
285/45/19 PS2's
C5 hubs, F&R
STOCK ROTORS Redrilled to 5x4.75
Hubcentric Rings if your new wheels do not conform to the center bore's of your rotors.
DONE. I don't really know why people make this harder than it really is. The hubs bolt in, the ABS adapters click in, and the rotors slide on and your done. No-Ebrake problems, no rotor swap issues, nothing. I swapped mine on in 1 hour for all 4.
I did Slotted rotors for $130 for all 4 (I know a deal)
I did NEW Hubs, via EBAY $180
I did hubcentric spacers from Amazon $22
Wheels were my choice, of spec and style, but it is now a 5x4.75 so I can swap to my hearts content!
VMR V701
19x8.5 et35 Front
19x9.5 et33 Rear
255/35/19 PS2's
285/45/19 PS2's
03-12-2015, 10:42 PM
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03-13-2015, 08:19 AM
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why reuse stock rotors when i don't have to?
i can machine the rotors just as easy as drilling new holes in stock 6 lug rotors. and the ebrake will still work after i put the camaro/V2 ebrake assembly on it.
i'm not trying to do this the cheap and quick way. i want to do it the right way...
i can machine the rotors just as easy as drilling new holes in stock 6 lug rotors. and the ebrake will still work after i put the camaro/V2 ebrake assembly on it.
i'm not trying to do this the cheap and quick way. i want to do it the right way...
03-13-2015, 08:40 AM
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basically decent proof that these bearings are all from china. two different boxes, three different bearings. wonder what the last one will be!
either way if the bearings go out they're cheap enough to replace one by one as time goes on. oh well.
i have an "automotive recycler" looking into some parts for me, too. basically they buy new cars and part them out...somehow make a profit. i'm going to get rotors from them with less than 100 miles from an SS (front) and V2 (rear). i've also having them look into a parking brake assembly from a base CTS (09-14) and then i can source the V2 backing plates on my own.
buying those parts used is gonna save me tons, and it'll all be OEM quality. then i just have to get some new pads and TPMS.
either way if the bearings go out they're cheap enough to replace one by one as time goes on. oh well.
i have an "automotive recycler" looking into some parts for me, too. basically they buy new cars and part them out...somehow make a profit. i'm going to get rotors from them with less than 100 miles from an SS (front) and V2 (rear). i've also having them look into a parking brake assembly from a base CTS (09-14) and then i can source the V2 backing plates on my own.
buying those parts used is gonna save me tons, and it'll all be OEM quality. then i just have to get some new pads and TPMS.
03-13-2015, 08:53 AM
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Some might be willing to pay a bit more for the added convenience of it all being bolt-on - no need to redrill rotors every time you want to do a brake job or swap rotors for the track.
03-13-2015, 09:27 AM
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i was thinking of just going with a centric ceramic pad to keep down noise and dust. i only drive my car on the street and rarely ever get on the pedal very hard.
03-13-2015, 04:00 PM
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I'm not sure how you figure that. Variations of the V1's 4-piston Brembo calipers have been used on way more vehicles than the 6-piston caliper, so it stands to reason that parts support is better for the 4-piston calipers. I did the V2 conversion in the fall of 2012, at which point the V2 had been around for nearly 4 years, yet pad selection for the 6-pistons (FMSI D1405) was terrible. It's gotten better in the past 2-1/2 years, but it's still much easier to find the FMSI D1001 pads that the V1 calipers run in any compound you could ever want.
Not correct. The piston area of the 6-pistons is actually slightly smaller than the 4-pistons.
I hope that's a misprint, because you can't come in here giving brake advice and then say you're running HPS pads. Those are the only pads I've ever replaced for general shittiness. There are way better options that are significantly cheaper.
Some might be willing to pay a bit more for the added convenience of it all being bolt-on - no need to redrill rotors every time you want to do a brake job or swap rotors for the track.
Not correct. The piston area of the 6-pistons is actually slightly smaller than the 4-pistons.
I hope that's a misprint, because you can't come in here giving brake advice and then say you're running HPS pads. Those are the only pads I've ever replaced for general shittiness. There are way better options that are significantly cheaper.
Some might be willing to pay a bit more for the added convenience of it all being bolt-on - no need to redrill rotors every time you want to do a brake job or swap rotors for the track.
What pads do you suggest for Daily use with little to no brake dust? I'm due for some new ones this year..
And yes, I understand the whole bolt on and go. The older I get the more I like this to be the option of choice..
03-13-2015, 05:49 PM
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I think my brake pads are made from coal, jeez! Probably looks like a diesel with a tuner on it when I hit the brakes. Dust is insane!
03-14-2015, 01:12 PM
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The pad snobs won't like this, but I'm using the midgrade pad from Autozone and after 30k miles, they don't squeak, pulsate or throw lots of dust.
Admittedly, I'm not doing repeated hard stops from 120 or anything like that but for spirited daily driving, I'm not complaining.
Admittedly, I'm not doing repeated hard stops from 120 or anything like that but for spirited daily driving, I'm not complaining.
03-14-2015, 01:23 PM
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My car will never, ever see track duty, so I went with $25 Centric pads on the rear. Some people are obsessed with running "race grade" parts on their DDs, and I initially followed that thinking, but now I'm all about value (while still having decent quality).
03-14-2015, 05:13 PM
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When I first put on the V2 calipers, I tried the Hawk HPSs. I knew from their reputation not to expect much, but I was still horribly underwhelmed. I really thought they were terrible, and they're not cheap - over $150 for the fronts.
So I went looking on rockauto.com to see what I could find. I bought some ACDelco Professional Durastop semi-metallics on wholesaler close-out for a whopping $25 - for that I figured I couldn't go wrong. (Even at their normal price they're only $45; same compound in the V1 pad shape is $40 for the fronts.) Turns out I love them. I wouldn't say they're "low dust", but they're not as dusty as other semi-metallics I've run.
For low dust but still decent performance the Stoptech Street Performance pads are pretty good, and about half as costly as the Hawk street pad options. If you really want low dust then ceramic is the way to go, but I'm not a fan of ceramics so I can't attest to any being better or worse than others.
So I went looking on rockauto.com to see what I could find. I bought some ACDelco Professional Durastop semi-metallics on wholesaler close-out for a whopping $25 - for that I figured I couldn't go wrong. (Even at their normal price they're only $45; same compound in the V1 pad shape is $40 for the fronts.) Turns out I love them. I wouldn't say they're "low dust", but they're not as dusty as other semi-metallics I've run.
For low dust but still decent performance the Stoptech Street Performance pads are pretty good, and about half as costly as the Hawk street pad options. If you really want low dust then ceramic is the way to go, but I'm not a fan of ceramics so I can't attest to any being better or worse than others.
03-14-2015, 05:25 PM
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I liked the ebc red ceramics on my wrx. Hated the hps. They had decent bite for a few weeks but didn't weather well at all. And the chunky awful concrete stuff they left in my wheels was abysmal. It wasn't even dust, it was like spattered epoxy. The red ceramics were quiet clean and consistent for commuting.
