01stepsideZ71

Alright guys, I'm looking to find out how rare a car I'm looking at is.

It is an 02 SS Camaro Hardtop (body color roof) M6, SOM. I know according to the breakdown, there were only 263 SS M6 SOM hardtops.

But my question is, how rare is the body color roof? Haven't really saw one, and I see no breakdown anywhere to specify how many were ordered black roof or body color roof. Or if this was even an option?

Also, the car has 29k on it. Has the WU8 code and Y2Y code on the door, but no SLP stickers. Which means the car was ordered a Base SS, correct?

It has been sent back to SLP however, and had an Auburn Rear diff, SLP Grille, key fobs/dash plaque, and Dual/Dual exhaust. Guy has showed all paper work for this from SLP. He does not however have the birth certificate, said it got lost....can this be reordered from SLP?

Would SLP still have not installed any stickers on the doors even if it were sent back after ordered new to have these add ons?

One last thing, it had chrome 10 spokes originally, but they are now powder coated black I am trying to find a set of OEM chrome 10 spokes if I do choose to work out a deal with this guy, but am having no luck.

Thanks in advance!

CGSmith0524

I'm by no means and expert on ordering options for the 4th Gen SS, but I'll try to help answer as many questions as I can. Hopefully, someone with more knowledge will chime in......

But my question is, how rare is the body color roof? Haven't really saw one, and I see no breakdown anywhere to specify how many were ordered black roof or body color roof. Or if this was even an option? To my knowledge, all LS1 cars had a black roof and black mirrors. That was the way to distinguish them from the V6 Camaro's, which were body colored room. I'm not positive if you could order them body colored or not. What color are the mirrors?

Also, the car has 29k on it. Has the WU8 code and Y2Y code on the door, but no SLP stickers. Which means the car was ordered a Base SS, correct? Again, I'm not expert, so if I'm wrong, I hope someone will correct me. The WU8 was the code that All SS's received. The Y2Y Code means that you received additional SLP Options, which I believe there was a total of 11 or 12 different upgraded options that SLP offered.

It has been sent back to SLP however, and had an Auburn Rear diff, SLP Grille, key fobs/dash plaque, and Dual/Dual exhaust. Guy has showed all paper work for this from SLP. He does not however have the birth certificate, said it got lost....can this be reordered from SLP? Yes, all you need to do is contact SLP, and you can get the complete history of your car, along with a new Birth Certificate for $50. I did that with my SLP SS car. They will also tell you what Build Number yours is.

Would SLP still have not installed any stickers on the doors even if it were sent back after ordered new to have these add ons? Again, to my knowledge, all Y2Y cars should have a sticker on the door. The sticker on the door should match identical to the SLP Window Sticker that he has. If it's not there, then I would assume someone took it off, if SLP can verify that it is a true SS.

One last thing, it had chrome 10 spokes originally, but they are now powder coated black I am trying to find a set of OEM chrome 10 spokes if I do choose to work out a deal with this guy, but am having no luck.
Good luck finding those!! My SLP SS car was ordered with the 10-Spoke Chrome Wheels. I have kept them in Perfect, Mint Condition, but just in case something happens, I always keep my eye out for a spare. They are hard to come by, and most of them, if not cared for, will start peeling. In fact, I believe that's the biggest complaint is- The Chrome will just start fading and/or peeling off.

Thanks in advance! You are very welcome! I hope that helps answer some of your questions. Regardless of your decision, it has really low miles, which is getting harder and harder to find with these F-Body's.

01stepsideZ71

The car has body colored mirrors...I have looked online and saw several 02 SS cars with body colored mirrors, just not the roof. How the crap do I get a hold of SLP? Every number I've tried is disconnected or not right.



Here is a thread with some useful info...
https://ls1tech.com/forums/new-ls1-o...code-help.html

Read post #4 on this link...here is another thread on y2y codes
https://ls1tech.com/forums/chevrolet...y-options.html

02_SS_SOM

Sounds like a great find. Hardtop + SOM + M6 is a rare combo indeed. SOM will be a sought after color, I've only seen one other Camaro z28 with it. Never seen another SS in it.

But mine's in rough shape. I'm restoring it back to stock before I start in on real mods. This is going to take me probably two years since I'm also lightly modding my Vette at the same time. SOM SS needs paint, minor body work, carpet, and seat covers. I also need to swap out the stock 10 spokes with some ZR1's. Not much work but a lot of $$$$ that I don't have lol. Mechanically it's in good shape but that took a year to get everything back into reliable daily driver.

01stepsideZ71

I've looked at one other SOM SS but it had T-tops and was an auto...no go on that, lol.

Just trying to figure out if I'm losing trading my 07 TBSS for it... which is mint as well.

redbird555

iTrader: (14)

They are pretty rare but my buddy has the same car. 01 SOM SS 6sp and a hardtop with cloth.

01stepsideZ71

Is his car a painted roof car???

That's what I am trying to find out on the rarity or possible repaint without driving 4 hrs to look at it.

CGSmith0524

That's crazy cool, because I have an 07 3SS Trailblazer as well. Mine is my Daily Driver and it sporting a cool 210,00o miles on the odometer!! I LOVE driving it, and find myself taking it out, even if it's a Beautiful day.

Here's a few pictures of both my SS Camaro and my SS Trailblazer.

Carl

01stepsideZ71

Nice...Mine has 99k on it now and is a White 3ss with some bolt ons.

thing that kills me is the book values on the two... the Camaro is way lower than the TBSS...but the rarity of the Camaro seems to make up for it.

CGSmith0524

Man, that is a tough spot to be in. Just remember, you can't always go by "book value". Hagerty has a new analysis that tells you what Classic, Rare, and Hard to Find vehicles are worth. They data collection include what the same makes & models sell for at all the auctions, NADA Values, KBB Values, and Market Values. They'll even show you what the value has done in the past and what it's predicted to do..... I would trust Hagerty's assessment before I trusted KBB, which no dealer uses anymore.

However, keep in mind that TBSS's are hard to come by as well. You very rarely see them for sale, and low mileage ones are still in the upper teens and low twenties. It's crazy what they are selling for.

Whatever you choose, good luck!! I wouldn't be driving my TBSS, but I got it for a steal from my painter. And if I a choose, I'd take white over black.... Black is too hard to take care of.

redbird555

iTrader: (14)

As far as I know you could not get a body color roof on an SS. Z28's came with one optioned if you already got the B4C police package.

Does your car have the bubbling roof panel problem like other years? Only reason I say that is the roof may have been replaced at some point in time and they wanted it painted body color.

My buddy's car had the roof redone under warranty so the original color isnt known but its black now.

If the roof on the car here doesn't have bubles in the paint it's been replaced and is likely the reason its painted. EVERY 99-02 car had the bubbling roof panel problem

01stepsideZ71

I don't know about the bubbled up part, I haven't got the chance to go look at the car yet. I would assume not, it has 29k on it and has always been garaged.

I've asked the guy numerous times if any paintwork has been done, but he said not that he knew of. I'll be able to tell within 1 minute of looking at the car. Depending on the quality of it, if it is a repainted roof, makes the call on whether or not I'll trade with the guy....not really into something that has had paint work done to it.

From what I've read, looks like there was an option to order the car with the monochromatic roof from 98-02? I've also read somewhere that some Z28's were special ordered with a body colored roof...the SS starts it's life as a Z28.

Here is something I found ...http://www.z28.com/threads/black-roo...7485/....check out post #5 if you look at the link.

"Our dear friend and invaluable asset to the site Camaro Source cleared this one up a while ago for us.

In 93-94 the Z28 was available only with the black roof. The 6cyl had body colored roofs. T-top z28's also had the black C-panel (Portion of roof behind the t-tops) and 6 cyl cars had a body colored C-Panel.

In 95-02 the option showed up where you could order a body colored roof and for 95-98, body colored mirrors to go with the body colored roof.

The main exceptions to this rule is the 97 30th Anniversary and the 2002 35th Anniversary Limited Edition vehicles respectively came with body colored roof and side view mirrors*

All Trans Am's and Firebirds had body colored roofs beause the Pontiac is and always will be the upgraded version of Chevrolet's production line, therefore it has more standard options.


*99-02 Camaro's all came standard with body colored mirrors irregardless of roof color."

demonspeed

iTrader: (7)

Body colored mirrors did not arrive until 2000.

There are three ways it could have came from Ste. Therese with the body color roof: V6, 35TH LE (Bright Rally Red, only), or B4C. A fourth way would be someone internally within GM pulling strings.

Granted, there always seems to be the one anomaly that someone's brother's cousin's friend's uncle knew of, but I would bet this was a normal black hardtop car that had the roof replaced/repaired due to bubbling and the owner at the time either wanted it painted body color, or the body shop screwed up and painted it body color without thinking it should have been black. There is, of course, the possibility that the original owner had the dealership paint it body color before taking delivery.

At the end of the day, what makes the car "rare" is that it's a hardtop no matter what color it is.

TransAmWS.6

Although I have never seen a body colored roof on a hardtop, it sounds like a nice and rare car. I have actually seen a couple random SOM SS's in my area over the past couple years I've had mines, but still a rare color.

GDL

FYI convertibles received body colored mirrors prior to 2000.

727

As far as the 10 spoke wheels,I just bough a set of aftermarket ones . Found them on Ebay,sold by Hawks third gen . They are very nice . Just don't have the GM logo on the wheel. $800 for 4 w/free shipping. Center caps and lugnuts extra.

01MAROONz2890

Look at the roof if its not bubbled its been replaced, the mileage or age doesnt matter. the glue in the roof is what caused the bubbling so really no amount of storage would save it. A z28 could be ordered with the body colored roof but z28's were not selected off the line to be turned into ss, they were destined that way from the start. so not to say a body colored roof ss is impossible but someone would have had to know someone or someone goofed up.

Double-aught_Z/28

iTrader: (11)

I'm going with the roof has been painted. I have never seen a 98-02 SS with a factory body color roof or sail panel. They are always black. Now for the mirrors, as demonspeed pointed out, all 00-02 Camaros had body color mirrors regardless of trim level.

01stepsideZ71

Little update on this car....thanks for all the responses by the way.

Whole car was a repaint. Original SOM colored car, just a really horrible repaint. So that made my decision, turned and walked away.

Guy didn't want to hear it..but, I asked numerous times if the car had ever had any paint work anywhere, besides probably the roof. He insisted that the car had no paintwork anywhere.

Whoever painted it, didn't prep the car right, and overspray everywhere. Not interested in having a car with paintwork done on it.

bodiebyles

I have a 1969 Camaro. When I got it the Motor and trans were long gone. I found the original SS 350 fender emblems in the glove box. It was a SS 350 car , Garnet Red, 4 speed, Black interior. also has the original SS emblem on the trunk. While taking out the Back seat I noticed X-1 Wrote on the rear deck behind the seat. the car is a X11 car. Anybody know what the X-1 Means?