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Old 03-23-2011, 09:17 PM   #1
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just putting it out there,should there be some changes made so we can get a more competitive field and higher car count?????? weights? transmissions? tires?
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Nope. Apparently the competition needs a carrot... and they have one.
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Nope. Apparently the competition needs a carrot... and they have one.
Not a carrot. A sponsor with deep pockets.
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What kindof changes would people like to see and please think of the entire class not just one car.

1) Allow e85
2) No penalty for stock manual trans
3) Consideration for IRS suspension (weight break?)
4) 28" tire max( some cars can't even fit a 28")
5) Raise the overall weight limits back up a few hundred pounds
6) 200lb penalty for clutchless?
Just some thoughts.
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1) Allow e85 - If anything there should be a spec fuel for this class. Alternative fuels (E85) don't fit this kind of racing.

2) No penalty for stock manual trans - I would be fine with this, but I think you will see a lot of broken transmissions.

3) Consideration for IRS suspension (weight break?) - This class is already to the point that an IRS is dangerous by NHRA standards.

4) 28" tire max( some cars can't even fit a 28") - The 30" tire is fine.

5) Raise the overall weight limits back up a few hundred pounds - I think that would be a dumb idea. I like the new base weight. I would like to see a true lbs/ci rule instead of the random stuff that they have now.

6) 200lb penalty for clutchless? - When the qualified field is closer and this shows itself as an issue it should be addressed.
I have added my thoughts to yours. I am guessing that you have a certain car that you were aiming your thoughts at?
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Did yall actually this this would be a mid to high 8 sec class forever???????? One car has there combo figured out, the rest just need to catch up. spend the money to get the car lighter??????????? I dont have a problem with gizmos suggestions, added to the current rules.
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I have added my thoughts to yours. I am guessing that you have a certain car that you were aiming your thoughts at?
About the dumb idea. Some folks are saying it's hard to make weight and I agree. It could be dangerous to keep lightening to try and be competitive and that's one way to level the field but I'm cool with seeing how things play out. So, if the rules state that my car could be 2500lbs it doesn't help me because it physically can't. Plus why stock looking interior if everything else is suggesting racecar.
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Did yall actually this this would be a mid to high 8 sec class forever???????? One car has there combo figured out, the rest just need to catch up. spend the money to get the car lighter??????????? I dont have a problem with gizmos suggestions, added to the current rules.
Most classes seem to settle in somewhere due to the rules.
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About the dumb idea. Some folks are saying it's hard to make weight and I agree. It could be dangerous to keep lightening to try and be competitive and that's one way to level the field but I'm cool with seeing how things play out. So, if the rules state that my car could be 2500lbs it doesn't help me because it physically can't. Plus why stock looking interior if everything else is suggesting racecar.
Maybe dumb was too strong of a word.

If I can actually get my junk to run over 6000 rpm I will be at Atlanta. I have plans to run the last two races too. I know that I will not be competetive, but If the series continues into 2012 I would be up to building a class specific car. At that point the weight would be a non-issue as I would build it as light as possible regardless of what combination I run.
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The SAM car will run low 20s with a little more work, surely faster in good air. its not hard to get these cars light it just takes effort, and they are safer at the lesser weight with the 25.5 or 25.2 or 25.3 cage.
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I have a what if for you...what if there was an n/a class for 9-second cars?
-T56, 4L60E, 4L80E, 6L80E, 200-4R, TH400, TH350, and Powerglide were the only transmissions allowed.
-Intake manifold was limited to either factory, FAST (or other stock style), or an Edelbrock Victor Jr (with a limited carb/throttle body size)
-Canted valve and C5R heads would be prohibited, with weight breaks for factory castings
-Factory PCM
-Stock suspension only, 28" tire, weight break for IRS
-weight system would be based on cubic inch, with the base being at 2900lbs for a 346cid motor

How many people would commit to a four race series based on those rules?
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I have a what if for you...what if there was an n/a class for 9-second cars?
-T56, 4L60E, 4L80E, 6L80E, 200-4R, TH400, TH350, and Powerglide were the only transmissions allowed.
-Intake manifold was limited to either factory, FAST (or other stock style), or an Edelbrock Victor Jr (with a limited carb/throttle body size)
-Canted valve and C5R heads would be prohibited, with weight breaks for factory castings
-Factory PCM
-Stock suspension only, 28" tire, weight break for IRS
-weight system would be based on cubic inch, with the base being at 2900lbs for a 346cid motor

How many people would commit to a four race series based on those rules?
I like these rules.

Any limits on the cam? Would Solid Rollers be allowed or Hyd only?
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Maybe dumb was too strong of a word.

If I can actually get my junk to run over 6000 rpm I will be at Atlanta. I have plans to run the last two races too. I know that I will not be competetive, but If the series continues into 2012 I would be up to building a class specific car. At that point the weight would be a non-issue as I would build it as light as possible regardless of what combination I run.
Cool. I guess in a drag race anything can happen so you have a chance.
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I have a what if for you...what if there was an n/a class for 9-second cars?
-T56, 4L60E, 4L80E, 6L80E, 200-4R, TH400, TH350, and Powerglide were the only transmissions allowed.
-Intake manifold was limited to either factory, FAST (or other stock style), or an Edelbrock Victor Jr (with a limited carb/throttle body size)
-Canted valve and C5R heads would be prohibited, with weight breaks for factory castings
-Factory PCM
-Stock suspension only, 28" tire, weight break for IRS
-weight system would be based on cubic inch, with the base being at 2900lbs for a 346cid motor

How many people would commit to a four race series based on those rules?
If we stayed toward the higher side of 9 I would be in.
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I have a what if for you...what if there was an n/a class for 9-second cars?
-T56, 4L60E, 4L80E, 6L80E, 200-4R, TH400, TH350, and Powerglide were the only transmissions allowed.
-Intake manifold was limited to either factory, FAST (or other stock style), or an Edelbrock Victor Jr (with a limited carb/throttle body size)
-Canted valve and C5R heads would be prohibited, with weight breaks for factory castings
-Factory PCM
-Stock suspension only, 28" tire, weight break for IRS
-weight system would be based on cubic inch, with the base being at 2900lbs for a 346cid motor

How many people would commit to a four race series based on those rules?
If this is what you want just go run NHRA stock class. You will still spend lots of money to do that and have more rules than you can stand. Remember somebody will always go faster no matter what the rules.
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did yall actually this this would be a mid to high 8 sec class forever???????? One car has there combo figured out, the rest just need to catch up. Spend the money to get the car lighter??????????? I dont have a problem with gizmos suggestions, added to the current rules.
its not a weight issue for everyone else,its the liberty without enough weight penalty.then lets top it off with a bigger tire so its easier to set up the clutch.not everyone has unlimited funds.
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I have a what if for you...what if there was an n/a class for 9-second cars?
-T56, 4L60E, 4L80E, 6L80E, 200-4R, TH400, TH350, and Powerglide were the only transmissions allowed.
-Intake manifold was limited to either factory, FAST (or other stock style), or an Edelbrock Victor Jr (with a limited carb/throttle body size)
-Canted valve and C5R heads would be prohibited, with weight breaks for factory castings
-Factory PCM
-Stock suspension only, 28" tire, weight break for IRS
-weight system would be based on cubic inch, with the base being at 2900lbs for a 346cid motor

How many people would commit to a four race series based on those rules?
I AM IN!!!
I do my best to make every race I can to run index(Though the birth of my daughter and my brother's wedding are keeping me out of the last two this year). If there was a heads up class that fit the 9.5 to 10.5 N/A cars I'd definitely run that instead. I think the stock PCM is the perfect equalizer for a slower heads up class as it prevents folks from revving the crap outta their combo(safely anyway).
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its not a weight issue for everyone else,its the liberty without enough weight penalty.
Is it really that big of an issue at the moment? (Unless you want to add 500 lbs)


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then lets top it off with a bigger tire so its easier to set up the clutch.not everyone has unlimited funds.
The tires are a plus for all combinations. Even six cylinder Stock Eliminator cars run a 30" tire.
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If we stayed toward the higher side of 9 I would be in.
I second this...

Most of us will never have $30k to build a motor like SAMs.
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What kindof changes would people like to see and please think of the entire class not just one car.

1) Allow e85
2) No penalty for stock manual trans
3) Consideration for IRS suspension (weight break?)
4) 28" tire max( some cars can't even fit a 28")
5) Raise the overall weight limits back up a few hundred pounds
6) 200lb penalty for clutchless?
Just some thoughts.
I think that the weight penalty for canted valve heads is not relevant anymore with the new GM DRX heads and others that flows as good of better then some canted.
Maybe a 100lbs penalty for all square port heads and No penalty for cathedral heads might work better.
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