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Old 09-29-2011, 05:50 AM   #1
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Be aware that apparently, Indiana requires all pickups with trailers to pass through their weigh stations...plan accordingly

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All trucks are required to enter an Indiana weigh station if it's open. This includes pickup trucks with trailers and rental trucks of all sizes and weights.


http://coopsareopen.com/indiana-weigh-stations.html
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Also...note that their's been alot of info on the interweb stating how DOT cops have been targeting racers...specifically saying we are "commercial" since we have a potential to win money Implication is that we'd all have to have med cards, drug testing, log books, etc. If Johnny law thinks you are commercial, they can slap you with thousands of dollars worth of fines

Know the law! I have printed out the following and keep in my truck at all times when pulling the car. Be aware of the class of license thing if your combined gross vehicle weight (weight rating of truck + trailer) exceeds 26,000 lbs. There have been racers parked until someone with a proper license would show up.

From the federal motor carrier safety administration...

390.3.(f).3 provides an exception as follows:

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The occasional transportation of personal property by individuals not for compensation nor in the furtherance of a commercial enterprise
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regul...aspx?reg=390.3

They also provided further guidance related to exactly what we do...

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Question 21: Does the exemption in 390.3(f)(3) for the ‘‘occasional transportation of personal property by individuals not for compensation nor in the furtherance of a commercial enterprise’’ apply to persons who occasionally use CMVs to transport cars, boats, horses, etc., to races, tournaments, shows or similar events, even if prize money is offered at these events?
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Guidance: The exemption would apply to this kind of transportation, provided: (1) The underlying activities are not undertaken for profit, i.e., (a) prize money is declared as ordinary income for tax purposes, and (b) the cost of the underlying activities is not deducted as a business expense for tax purposes; and, where relevant; (2) corporate sponsorship is not involved. Drivers must confer with their State of licensure to determine the licensing provisions to which they are subject.
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regul...0.3&guidence=Y

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Damn that would have succked to have gotten a ticket for not stopping.
THANKS for the heads up Brian
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wow, thats going to be a real pain in the *** to have to wait at weigh stations with my truck and open trailer, but I guess its better than getting a ticket

thanks!!
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That sucks!!!!
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Hmm...i better look into this

By the way, you win no money for going to a "car show"
Also what is the guideline on then looking in your trailer..isn't it like looking in the trunk?
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I was told by an Indiana State Police Officer today in a "don't let anyone know" type of way that as long as we are headed for a car show ie no cash involved, you'll be ok. But, IF you say RACE in anyway, shape or form you are considered "commercial" and are required to have all of the previously stated documents.

SO, my advice to racers towing into indiana? Don't speed, don't get pulled over, hope all the weigh stations are closed?
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GREAT info guys, thanks for sharing.
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Also what is the guideline on then looking in your trailer..isn't it like looking in the trunk?
thats a gray area...if they think you are commercial, then thats probable cause for a DOT inspection, which includes a trailer inspection.

My best advice is have a "clean" trailer. don't put "Jones Racing" on the side haha. If asked, you are transporting personal private property.

Don't give them reason to be suspicious. More than likely, if you roll through the station, you'll get a green light as long as you weigh 26K lbs or less.

I'm planning on taking my loaded rig to a local certified scale this weekend just to be sure I'm well under that number
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some food for thought...

http://www.vitamincracing.com/2010/0...g-drag-racers/
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh....php?p=4110743
http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/...0&fpart=1&vc=1
http://www.isocracing.com/uploads/20...20TO%20YOU.pdf

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Good stuff Brian. Since we don't get paid to drive and we will never make a profit in this hobby we should be excepted, but I guess not from stopping at the weigh station?
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This does not suprise me, thanks a million for the info man. I am sure there are tons of people like me who know nothing of this. Hopefully everone will read this and be prepared.
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Hopefully everone will read this and be prepared.
It certainly helped me be prepared...prepared to still drive the car to Indy from New Jersey and not deal with all of this towing/trailering stuff that is (I don't even own a tow vehicle/trailer anyway of course) LOL.
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It certainly helped me be prepared...prepared to still drive the car to Indy from New Jersey and not deal with all of this towing/trailering stuff that is (I don't even own a tow vehicle/trailer anyway of course) LOL.
Lol, i hear that. We should be ok on our trip. The truck, car and trailer don't weigh that much. Still the thought of having to talk to Dot makes my
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unfortunately, ignorance of the law doesn't help here...

there are so many facets that could be enforced that were never intended for the avg joe
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Good stuff Brian. Since we don't get paid to drive and we will never make a profit in this hobby we should be excepted, but I guess not from stopping at the weigh station?
generally, weigh stations say all commercial vehicles over 10,000lbs, but apparently indiana requires any pickup/trailer combo. Just going off what the one site said, I haven't personally seen the signs at the weigh stations to confirm.

that one article I posted was very interesting on this subject. Even if we wanted to claim as a business, by IRS rule, businesses have to be profitable within 3 yrs or somethign along those lines. I don't know about anyone else here but I spend WAAAAYYYYYYY more than I could ever imagine winning


so IRS defines small-time racers as hobbiests...
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It certainly helped me be prepared...prepared to still drive the car to Indy from New Jersey and not deal with all of this towing/trailering stuff that is (I don't even own a tow vehicle/trailer anyway of course) LOL.
Yeah that makes it easy for you my friend.

for use going across 70 I only saw one listed for 70 but have not looked yet to see if it is on our way to Indy from the east or west
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Well as i was told by a very smart man tonight that the dot won't care what the irs says. Whatever the federal guidelines say and the state rules is what they will go by.
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Well as i was told by a very smart man tonight that the dot won't care what the irs says. Whatever the federal guidelines say and the state rules is what they will go by.
hence what I put in post 2. DOT law (FMCSA regulations) state that it is tied to what is on your taxes...

fortunately, its in "black and white" since its published on the FMCSA website.

remember, a ticket is not admission of guilt...there is always the court system if it really came down to it
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Even more black and white. I found the interpretation when it was published in the April 1997 Federal Register.

http://frwebgate3.access.gpo.gov/cgi...ction=retrieve

Specifically on Page 16405 (right most column)
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