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Hey guys, ive done over 20+ automatic LS conversions in a multitude of cars, but have never done a T56 manual one. Im looking to put a T56 into my 72 chevelle, behind a turbocharged 6.0 w/ L92 CNC heads. I currently dont have a transmission, and am looking for a complete T56 assembly with the hydraulic T/0 bearing and assocciated hardware required. I have a couple questions untill then, please help!
1) I see alot of people cutting their trans tunnel out completely...is this necessary?
2) can u use the stock crossmember and just modify the mount for the trans, or is it easier to Fab up a new crossmember?
3) Do you need a donor clutch pedal assembly from another T56 equipped car? my car still has a 4spd pedal assembly with the rod coming through the firewall, i wonder if I can tie that into the hydraulic cylinder somehow to keep the pedals stock
4) IS there a preferred T56 to use? I was figuring a camaro or GTO trans, but I know they came in vipers also.
5) What is the best / most cost effective way to move the shifter forward. I dont want to be reaching between the seats to shift! Is the stock shifter location really that bad?
Sorry guys i know alot of questions. This might be a good thread to compile though for everything "you" (me and others) need to know about T56 trannies.
1) You can do it with some t-shaped cuts across the tunnel, spread the sheetmetal, and reweld. I'm in the middle of doing it this way, but I'm beginning to think that cutting the whole tunnel out might have been easier in the long run.
2) Yes, you can cut the tab off, flip it over, and reweld to get the proper angle. With my motor mount setup (early BRP-style pates) and F-body pan, I'm even able to reuse the factory crossmember mounting holes in the frame. It was a very simple mod.
4) From what I've read, I think the Viper T56 uses the forward shifter location, so your decision may depend on where you want the shifter to be.
5) From what I'm seeing on my swap, with the shifter in the stock Camaro (rear) shifter position on the T56, the shifter sits right at the front edge of the seats (just about right in my opinion), so I'm not seeing any relocation being necessary.
I just finished this swap myself, well the trans tunnel part at least. I started out with the T-cut, but the further along i got the bigger and longer the cut got, and it was evident that when it came time to put it back together things wouldent line up propperly and the tunnel would look like crap. So I cut the entire tunnel out and fabbed one out of sheet metal. Now Im not saying it looks better, but everything fits, i.e. the reverse lockout switch and my angle is perfect on the tailshaft, less than 2 deg. Besides it was fun fabbing it and i learned alot about welding. You can check it out at.
1) NO.. but it might be easier.. I only cut the top part off.
2) Yes if it is a TH350, then cut the tab off and flip it over. Adjust for the correct tilt.
3) You can use your 4 sp A-body pedals, just use adapter plate behind the booster for the Hyd master.
4) No.. but different ones have different locations of the shifter. I ended up using a Viper T56 cause of the more forward location of the shifter ( and it is a stronger one).
5) The F-body is just abit rearward.. you can try and look into the McLeod relocation and shifters.. or use a viper configure one as I did. I did because I was using a Bench seat aand the F-Body one came up right into the front part of the bench seat.
Thanks guys, looks like im gonna look for a Fbody or GTO complete T56 setup so i can get started. Does the viper T56 bolt to the chevrolet bellhousing? Is the input shaft the same? Sounds like just cutting the trans tunnel out is the way to go, probably cleaner than slicing, bending and dicing the stock one. Shooting for 650+ rear wheel horsepower with this setup, hopefully the trans can hang with it for a while. Im not gonna be slicking it down and drag launching the **** out of it, so hopefully it will live
Does the viper T56 bolt to the chevrolet bellhousing? Is the input shaft the same?
To use a Viper T56, you will have to repalce the bell housing with a GM one. It will bolt up to the Viper mid or adapter plate.
The Adapter plate between the trans and bell housing shuold be replace. But I didn't I adapted the F-Body Throwout Bearing to the Viper Bolt pattern. You can see my build in my cardomain site, link in my sig.
The inputshaft will need to be replaced as well as the output yoke.
If you don't rework the Trans tunnel.. you will have to move the engine very far forward and drop it as low as you can, that will cause modifications to notching the oil pan and/or the crossmember. Else the engine/trans will have a very large tilt (more than 5 deg).
The McLeod shifter relocation kit, to use one of the forward plates location, (I think B&M now owns them) is kinda costly.. You would pertty much have to also include labor to almost completely rebuild the trans to use it. And then a Shifer. I think in the area of $750+ to do it. That is one of the reason I went with the Viper T56.. and also got a stronger trans to boot. May cost more than a GM T56, but if your going to use one, it was cheaper that the McLeod mod..