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Old 10-21-2009, 05:53 PM
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Ok so I wanna run a Victor Jr. but as far as I can tell, they all come with the injector bosses machined in em. The Edelbrock web site didnt have any P/N's for a manifold without the bosses machined, neither does Summit or Jegs. But, the pitures (I know, sometimes the product doesnt exactly match the pic) show the manifolds with the bosses machined. Also, the Edelbrock web site has all the carb style manifolds listed as EFI manifolds. Do I hafta buy the more expensive GMPP manifold to get one with the bosses pluged, or what?
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you can get the Edelbrock either way, #29087 is for a carb
#29086 is for FI
use the GM gaskets, pricey but hold up better than the NAPA's
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http://www.summitracing.com/parts/EDL-29087/#
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Ahh, ok. Thanks. I went and looked at the Edelbrock website again. All I had to do was click a different tab labled "LS1" I woulda thought all the LS1 tabs would take you to the same place, but they dont. Ohwell.

New question tho. Both the Victor Jr. and Super Victor carb manifolds are P/N 28097, so for anyone who has ordered one, how do you distinguish between the two when you order?
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29087 is reg Vic, 28097 is Super Vic-same #'s diff order, gotta drive people crazy
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Lol, I woulda stared at those 2 numbers for hours and noticed the difference. Thanks for the help!
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i believe Edelbrock also has a dual plane intake for the LS-use the MSD controller if you get one, not the Edelb.
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Originally Posted by forcd ind
i believe Edelbrock also has a dual plane intake for the LS-use the MSD controller if you get one, not the Edelb.
Ya they do, but it wouldnt be a good match for my MS3 and Patriot stage II's lol. Ya I was lookin through the stikies and saw that there is a difference between the two controllers. Ill be using the 6010 box for sure.
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The original edelbrock/msd is okay, it works
but if you have the room just get a super victor.
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Why do you recomend the super victor? By the way, clearance is no issue lol.
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yup.
CID + super victor + high compression + RPM =
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Even only at 350 cubes, with stock LM7 rods (shot peened and ARP'd) and a stock crank?
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Its more about the power range you want to use. Pretty much any of the ms cams dont even think about power til 3-3.5k. So a manifold that works Idle to 5500 wont be a good choice no matter how much ci you run. I personally run the gmpp on all my carbed ls motors. I figure they designed the motor so they are most qualified to design an intake for it. JMHO
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Originally Posted by topher455
Its more about the power range you want to use. Pretty much any of the ms cams dont even think about power til 3-3.5k. So a manifold that works Idle to 5500 wont be a good choice no matter how much ci you run.
Ya thats exactly why Im not gunna run the dual plane Edelbrock.

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I personally run the gmpp on all my carbed ls motors. I figure they designed the motor so they are most qualified to design an intake for it. JMHO
Thats some good reasoning there. I never really saw it that way before. Thanks for the input!
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I don't know that I have seen a head to head comparison of the Edlebrock and the GMPP manifolds. GM is putting a lot more effort into their stuff than they did in the past. I would be supprised if there was a significant difference between the two products.

As for dual plane, I think a lot of people make a mistake trying to take tried and true rules from the first gen world into the gen 3&4 world. Like carbs. I have seen a number of people complain that greater than 650 CFM is too much carb for a 350 CI motor. But it is not displacement that determines carb size, it is airflow.

LS motors flow so much more air than even a built up first gen SBC that it seems a shame to use anything other than an open plenum design. Even with the open plenum they are still making more low end torque than most first gens, so one has to question the need for a dual plane.

Age old argument I guess.
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All good points. Look at the rpm range of a stock ls vs a sbc too. I think the dual plane has its place on an ls but only on something heavy like a tow rig or 4x4 with a matching cam obviously.
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so heres a question. If you run a carbed manifold etc, what would you have to run computer wise? What wiring would this eliminate?
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msd 6010 box comes with loom to hook up all you need to run it on a carb. all you need supply is the crank and cam sensors and ign coils.
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ok, now you guys have me thinking.....I'm putting a carb on a STOCK 5.3l. Based on my old school thought process, a dual plane was my choice due to its better all around performance.

I'm wanting this motor to have a very streetable attitude, for a daily driver yet i also want to have power...for the stock motor. Which one, dual plane or single plane for a stock set up? Thanks!
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Originally Posted by mhunt
ok, now you guys have me thinking.....I'm putting a carb on a STOCK 5.3l. Based on my old school thought process, a dual plane was my choice due to its better all around performance.

I'm wanting this motor to have a very streetable attitude, for a daily driver yet i also want to have power...for the stock motor. Which one, dual plane or single plane for a stock set up? Thanks!
single plane all the way. even fo a 5.3 engine.



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