Spectra efi gas tank??yay or nay???
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I had one of the first design tanks from them. It was a nice looking tank and fairly simple design. Quiet pump and good pressure. I found the fuel sender was not accurate at the full position if I remember correctly. It worked great till you run down below 1/2 tank and hit some corners. I just read the have a newer version of the tank so it might be better, I don't know. I ended up making my own and can run till empty with no starvation issues.
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I have one in a 67 chevelle with ls1,stock engine.Works good,looks good,so far the pump is fine.I have had it to suck air though when accelerating when its below a 1/4 tank fuel.If I had known of this problem before I put gas in it I would have built a baffel and avoided this problem.Still may do it someday.Its a convertible cruiser with stock engine so it dosent bother me too much.If you have a new one I would baffel it before you gas it.
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I just got off of the phone with a customer service rep from Spectra and was told the new tanks are not ready for production yet. I asked for a date when they will be readily available and he had no clue. I then asked "what the tank I already own, what are you going to do for me" he said I could return the tank to the place it was purchased and wait on the new tanks to arrive. I also wanted to know how I could tell the old from the new and the rep said the seller would have to ask for a production date to know as the part numbers will be the same. So I am at a cross road and dont know which way to go. I should be ready for the tank in a couple of weeks and would like to get this car moving. Do I try to modify the existing tank or do I wait and see what happens with the new design. Has anyone give consideration to using foam like in a fuel cell to slow the fuel down????
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You know a guy here at work and myself were discussing the possibilities of using fuel foam to slow down the slosh effect. My only concern is squeezing it down, fitting my hand through and ensuring that it doesn't get in the way of the fuel level sender. If anyone has actually done the foam I'd love to know. ANYONE?
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I just called Rock Auto and they are willing to give me a store credit for the old tank. So I called Spectra back and tried to squeeze a production date out of them with no luck. The guy at Rock Auto said typically Spectra will not start selling the new tanks untill all of the old ones are sold. The rep at Spectra said that was untrue that they are getting the tanks ready for production now. He couldnt say when they will be available. I think he was reading off of a sheet telling him what to say. He said it could be a month or it could be two months or it could be three months. WTF!!! My concern is this, Rock Auto said they have no way of telling which tank is which since Spectra uses the same part numbers for new and old versions. The guy at Spectra said that Rock Auto will call the order in and that Spectra can tell them old from new. The tank will be shipped directly from Spectra not from Rock Auto. If someone has any ideas for a baffle whether it be foam, a cage or a weld in I may just go that route. The hole is a tick over 3" and I cannot get my hand in there. Sounds like the old lady may get some cuts on her hands fixin my tank! Fix me a sandwich and get your *** down here and put this baffle in you old bag!!!
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Just to give you an idea of the size of the baffle here is a shot of what it looks like drawn to actual size.
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After looking at the picture I guess I should have used a can or something to demonstrate the size. Sorry the air hose in the floor will have to suffice.
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After looking at the picture I guess I should have used a can or something to demonstrate the size. Sorry the air hose in the floor will have to suffice.
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Last one! What do you think? Foam insert maybe make it look like a horse shoe and not cover the back where the sender swings up and down? Thought I might get crafty and make a hinged setup with weld tangs as feet to tack weld into place once inside. Have it where it will fold up so it will fit through the narrow hole. Then I thought maybe I could just cut the f'ing thing apart and do it right. I just dont like the idea of gas fumes if its not welded properly. I wonder if a radiator shop could fix it back after I cut it open? The problem is its galvanized steel which I hate to weld. I know there are companies out there that will add in the fuel pump/sender assemblies so I know it can be modified. I guess gas will not see the top much and I am sure with enough patience I could weld it correctly. Prep is key! I think I found another problem with this tank. Its not so much the tub is made wrong as it is the two small holes in the bottom that feed the tub. I think it is starving due to a lack of replenishing. Yes it does need baffles but these holes on the bottom of the tub need to be enlarged. I wonder if I pour some Viagra in it will they grow?
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Just got off of the phone with the radiator guy and he said the shop manager can and has welded tanks back up for this same reason. So now for the ***** to cut it open. I am going to talk to the manager first to see what method he would prefer me to cut it open. I am on the fence! A few beers might get it done quicker. Nothing better than gas tanks, beer and torch!!! LOL nah will prolly use some snips to open it up. Nothing I hate more than to take a brand new part and have to modify it. Everything I have bought for this swap has went that way. I could just order up a Ricks and be done but $1200 is a little out of my range. Plus I like the old school look and the sleeper effect.
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I looked at the fuel sending unit again and was looking into using foam for a stabilizer. Wade70ss you are right the fuel level sender is in the way. But it is soldered onto the return line. A little heat and it can be rotated to the side that is 14" long. This would allow for the sender to work freely up and down and allow me to place one big chunk of foam in there without any modifications. HHHHHmmmmmm! Now to find some foam.
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The other problem they have is the sender OHM, the OHM is actually 114 vs your standard 90 OHM or 240 OHM. So when they asked them if they would fix this issue with the new tank. The Rep said no, because they have a large order of the 114 OHM senders in stock, and they will not change the senders to a more accurate 90 OHM until they use and sell the large supply of 114 OHM senders they have in stock. So if you know the fuel level will not be accurate with your sending unit or tank, then why the hell are they selling the tank with the inaccurate sending units? To cut cost? Now that speaks volumes about their integrity and passing the buck to the customer.
So here is a list of issues and how its been handled:
1. So besides having a fugged up sending unit first, 90 OHM fuel gauge on the car, 114 OHM sender
2. then they lengthened the pick up because they said it was too short and causeing the fuel starvation.
3. Then after lengthing the pick up, they still had fuel starvation issues.
4. Then the fuel pumps were going out. I wonder why? The best way to fry a intake pump is periods of not being able to stay cool by surrounding fuel.
5. The fuel pump and its correlation to slosh and starvation were sucking air.
6. So after all of this they finally came to a conclusion that the baffle design was fugged up.
Now thats just a breif overview, but you do the math. Sounds like to me, you would have a better chance of building your own tank or baffle system than play the odds or roulette that you will not have any of these problems.
$350-$500 is the range I have seen them go for but, after you buy another pump $150 and the time wasted chasing your tail which is priceless, makes you wonder if a Rick's tank is worth it or a Cheap $50 Imapla tank, but oh yeah its ugly, but the Spectra tank people buy for looks, but they are a fugged up design... How many more people are going to chase the cosmetic "it looks good" vs risking fuel issues and lean issues which can kill your motors fast.
I have the impala tank and have had no issues other than a pump go out, but if I had to or chose to buy another tank, it will be a Ricks. Unless they show signs of fuggn up too...lol
Folks wake up and stop being zombies or cattle, you have the power to affect the LSX products prices which are highly infalted. The power you have is the ability to not buy the outrages priced parts, especially if they are inferrior and of poor quality.
And if I ever did get one of these tanks, I would wait at least several months after they come out and all of the sh*tty sending units are sold as well people have tested the new tanks. I don't have $350-$500 to experiement with, I spent $50 and if the impala tank crapped out, I am out of $50 vs $350-$500+.
Bozz
So here is a list of issues and how its been handled:
1. So besides having a fugged up sending unit first, 90 OHM fuel gauge on the car, 114 OHM sender
2. then they lengthened the pick up because they said it was too short and causeing the fuel starvation.
3. Then after lengthing the pick up, they still had fuel starvation issues.
4. Then the fuel pumps were going out. I wonder why? The best way to fry a intake pump is periods of not being able to stay cool by surrounding fuel.
5. The fuel pump and its correlation to slosh and starvation were sucking air.
6. So after all of this they finally came to a conclusion that the baffle design was fugged up.
Now thats just a breif overview, but you do the math. Sounds like to me, you would have a better chance of building your own tank or baffle system than play the odds or roulette that you will not have any of these problems.
$350-$500 is the range I have seen them go for but, after you buy another pump $150 and the time wasted chasing your tail which is priceless, makes you wonder if a Rick's tank is worth it or a Cheap $50 Imapla tank, but oh yeah its ugly, but the Spectra tank people buy for looks, but they are a fugged up design... How many more people are going to chase the cosmetic "it looks good" vs risking fuel issues and lean issues which can kill your motors fast.
I have the impala tank and have had no issues other than a pump go out, but if I had to or chose to buy another tank, it will be a Ricks. Unless they show signs of fuggn up too...lol
Folks wake up and stop being zombies or cattle, you have the power to affect the LSX products prices which are highly infalted. The power you have is the ability to not buy the outrages priced parts, especially if they are inferrior and of poor quality.
And if I ever did get one of these tanks, I would wait at least several months after they come out and all of the sh*tty sending units are sold as well people have tested the new tanks. I don't have $350-$500 to experiement with, I spent $50 and if the impala tank crapped out, I am out of $50 vs $350-$500+.
Bozz
Last edited by bozzhawg; 02-08-2011 at 04:26 PM.
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I bought the tank cause I have a crappy 69 Camaro which I think is a one year only tank, I can't fabricate and I wanted a budget build. 'Sounds like I better keep the tank full.