Upgrade for T56 clutch master cylinder
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Upgrade for T56 clutch master cylinder
I have a 97 gmc sonoma with an ls1/t56 combo
Im running a brand new gm slave, ls7 clutch, brand new line and a stock master. Like most 4th gen f-bodies I seen, my master cylinder wont keep up when shifting at high rpm.
Its time to upgrade and I will need a universal master with a flat mounting surface for the firewall. Just seeing if anyone has had good luck with a certain brand or bore size so I can better determine what my truck will need.
Im running a brand new gm slave, ls7 clutch, brand new line and a stock master. Like most 4th gen f-bodies I seen, my master cylinder wont keep up when shifting at high rpm.
Its time to upgrade and I will need a universal master with a flat mounting surface for the firewall. Just seeing if anyone has had good luck with a certain brand or bore size so I can better determine what my truck will need.
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I have been working on basically the same thing you are, but I have not bought any parts yet.
I believe the OEM master cylinder is a 3/4" bore diameter and has a 1.2" stroke, but I don't have one, I only found the info through searching.
Most of the T56 swaps I have seen used a Wilwood master cylinder in 3/4" bore diameter and the 1.4" stroke length. They have other bore diameter options here:
http://www.wilwood.com/MasterCylinde...erLanding.aspx
http://www.wilwood.com/MasterCylinde...ter%20Cylinder
From looking at pictures I believe the I believe the Tick master cylinder is a Tilton series 75, and doing some searching on this site the bore diameter is 7/8". That Tilton 7/8" bore unit has a stroke of 1.1" More info is here:
http://www.tiltonracing.com/sites/de...0Cylinders.pdf
http://www.tiltonracing.com/sites/de...MC_updated.pdf
I plan on buying Wilwood p/n 260-3376 (7/8" x 1.2") because it offers several mounting configurations, it has enough volume to be tolerant of non optimal pedal travel and pivot points, and has a bleeder build into it which may eliminate the need for a remote speed bleeder if you hook it up to a hand vacuum pump.
http://www.wilwood.com/MasterCylinde...temno=260-3376
If I can't make that Wilwood fit in the space I've got, I'll probably buy the Tilton 75 (7/8 x 1.1) since it's overall length is about 2" shorter.
The extra capacity of the aftermarket master cylinders will require a mechanical stop to keep the clutch pedal movement from forcing the slave cylinder to over travel which will pop the seals on the slave. I think this will need to be done with any of the aftermarket masters.
I believe the OEM master cylinder is a 3/4" bore diameter and has a 1.2" stroke, but I don't have one, I only found the info through searching.
Most of the T56 swaps I have seen used a Wilwood master cylinder in 3/4" bore diameter and the 1.4" stroke length. They have other bore diameter options here:
http://www.wilwood.com/MasterCylinde...erLanding.aspx
http://www.wilwood.com/MasterCylinde...ter%20Cylinder
From looking at pictures I believe the I believe the Tick master cylinder is a Tilton series 75, and doing some searching on this site the bore diameter is 7/8". That Tilton 7/8" bore unit has a stroke of 1.1" More info is here:
http://www.tiltonracing.com/sites/de...0Cylinders.pdf
http://www.tiltonracing.com/sites/de...MC_updated.pdf
I plan on buying Wilwood p/n 260-3376 (7/8" x 1.2") because it offers several mounting configurations, it has enough volume to be tolerant of non optimal pedal travel and pivot points, and has a bleeder build into it which may eliminate the need for a remote speed bleeder if you hook it up to a hand vacuum pump.
http://www.wilwood.com/MasterCylinde...temno=260-3376
If I can't make that Wilwood fit in the space I've got, I'll probably buy the Tilton 75 (7/8 x 1.1) since it's overall length is about 2" shorter.
The extra capacity of the aftermarket master cylinders will require a mechanical stop to keep the clutch pedal movement from forcing the slave cylinder to over travel which will pop the seals on the slave. I think this will need to be done with any of the aftermarket masters.
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I have been working on basically the same thing you are, but I have not bought any parts yet.
I believe the OEM master cylinder is a 3/4" bore diameter and has a 1.2" stroke, but I don't have one, I only found the info through searching.
Most of the T56 swaps I have seen used a Wilwood master cylinder in 3/4" bore diameter and the 1.4" stroke length. They have other bore diameter options here:
http://www.wilwood.com/MasterCylinde...erLanding.aspx
http://www.wilwood.com/MasterCylinde...ter%20Cylinder
From looking at pictures I believe the I believe the Tick master cylinder is a Tilton series 75, and doing some searching on this site the bore diameter is 7/8". That Tilton 7/8" bore unit has a stroke of 1.1" More info is here:
http://www.tiltonracing.com/sites/de...0Cylinders.pdf
http://www.tiltonracing.com/sites/de...MC_updated.pdf
I plan on buying Wilwood p/n 260-3376 (7/8" x 1.2") because it offers several mounting configurations, it has enough volume to be tolerant of non optimal pedal travel and pivot points, and has a bleeder build into it which may eliminate the need for a remote speed bleeder if you hook it up to a hand vacuum pump.
http://www.wilwood.com/MasterCylinde...temno=260-3376
If I can't make that Wilwood fit in the space I've got, I'll probably buy the Tilton 75 (7/8 x 1.1) since it's overall length is about 2" shorter.
The extra capacity of the aftermarket master cylinders will require a mechanical stop to keep the clutch pedal movement from forcing the slave cylinder to over travel which will pop the seals on the slave. I think this will need to be done with any of the aftermarket masters.
I believe the OEM master cylinder is a 3/4" bore diameter and has a 1.2" stroke, but I don't have one, I only found the info through searching.
Most of the T56 swaps I have seen used a Wilwood master cylinder in 3/4" bore diameter and the 1.4" stroke length. They have other bore diameter options here:
http://www.wilwood.com/MasterCylinde...erLanding.aspx
http://www.wilwood.com/MasterCylinde...ter%20Cylinder
From looking at pictures I believe the I believe the Tick master cylinder is a Tilton series 75, and doing some searching on this site the bore diameter is 7/8". That Tilton 7/8" bore unit has a stroke of 1.1" More info is here:
http://www.tiltonracing.com/sites/de...0Cylinders.pdf
http://www.tiltonracing.com/sites/de...MC_updated.pdf
I plan on buying Wilwood p/n 260-3376 (7/8" x 1.2") because it offers several mounting configurations, it has enough volume to be tolerant of non optimal pedal travel and pivot points, and has a bleeder build into it which may eliminate the need for a remote speed bleeder if you hook it up to a hand vacuum pump.
http://www.wilwood.com/MasterCylinde...temno=260-3376
If I can't make that Wilwood fit in the space I've got, I'll probably buy the Tilton 75 (7/8 x 1.1) since it's overall length is about 2" shorter.
The extra capacity of the aftermarket master cylinders will require a mechanical stop to keep the clutch pedal movement from forcing the slave cylinder to over travel which will pop the seals on the slave. I think this will need to be done with any of the aftermarket masters.
Have you tried drilling out your master orifice? "Drill mod" as they as they call it these forums?
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I don't have mine up and running yet, and do not have a OEM master, so I have not done the drill mod.
Once I get my LS1 back together (reseal, new oil pump and timing chain) and build a transmission mount, I'll stat working on the clutch hydraulics.
Once I get my LS1 back together (reseal, new oil pump and timing chain) and build a transmission mount, I'll stat working on the clutch hydraulics.