C6, C6Z or ZL1
04-09-2012, 02:50 AM
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Z06, C6 then ZL1 is my order. The ZL1 is a lot of hype but in the end it will be too heavy to be a great performer. The GS is just about as fast as it so the Z06 is faster. The only way I would get the ZL1 was if I had to have a back seat. I was a Camaro guy through and through until I owned a 5th gen. For 55k it's over priced compared to a used Z06.
04-10-2012, 08:08 AM
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Im kind of leaning toward the c6 if I can get it from my dad at 30,000 just for the fact that it is faster than the other two and I know of course I could mod the other two but then I have no warranty, and I want to go fast
04-10-2012, 05:41 PM
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In the 21st Century, High Tech beats Weight!!! Lots of power, a high tech drivetrain and a high tech suspension can and does overcome two tons of weight.
If you want three cars that match your "weight, weight weight" axiom you have the Lotus Elise, the Subaru BRZ and the Caterham 7.
04-10-2012, 06:34 PM
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You obviously have not heard of the Nissan GTR which does 3.2 sec 0-60 times and 7:24 at the Nurburgring! The ZL1 does the Ring at 7:41 with a 6L90E auto no less!!!
Lots of power, a high tech drivetrain and a high tech suspension can and does overcome two tons of weight.
If you want three cars that match your "weight, weight weight" axiom you have the Lotus Elise, the Subaru BRZ and the Caterham 7.
Lots of power, a high tech drivetrain and a high tech suspension can and does overcome two tons of weight.
If you want three cars that match your "weight, weight weight" axiom you have the Lotus Elise, the Subaru BRZ and the Caterham 7.
04-10-2012, 10:22 PM
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ysb02 stated that a 4000 LBS car cannot handle. My point is that with modern technology a 4000 LBS can and does in fact handle quite well even as well as any sports cars. Even two ton porkers like the Skyline GTR and the Camaro ZL1.
Isn't technology grand?!?!?!?!?
BTW Doesn't most C6 Vettes now come with launch and traction control???
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04-11-2012, 09:51 AM
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Funny, take a look at a hyundai accent. All about weight savings right? It's about weight DISTRIBUTION, technology, and center of gravity, weight is important, but it certainly is not the only determining factor. As I said, the ZL1 pulls 1g, pretty goddamn impressive for a "2-ton pig."
04-11-2012, 02:28 PM
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You obviously have not heard of the Nissan GTR which does 3.2 sec 0-60 times and 7:24 at the Nurburgring! The ZL1 does the Ring at 7:41 with a 6L90E auto no less!!!
Lots of power, a high tech drivetrain and a high tech suspension can and does overcome two tons of weight.
If you want three cars that match your "weight, weight weight" axiom you have the Lotus Elise, the Subaru BRZ and the Caterham 7.
Lots of power, a high tech drivetrain and a high tech suspension can and does overcome two tons of weight.
If you want three cars that match your "weight, weight weight" axiom you have the Lotus Elise, the Subaru BRZ and the Caterham 7.
04-11-2012, 06:36 PM
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No it doesn't. Watch the video, it's a manual. Look at how much horsepower it takes to make that fat piece of crap respectable. IMO a Camaro that weighs 4200 lbs. and costs over $50K, isn't a Camaro. Track times are impressive but only slightly better than a Grand Sport with 150 less HP. Weight is an issue, you can try to hide it but you can't make it go away.
The Camaro from the 2nd Gen(1970) on was never truly a lightweight. It was always kind of on the porky side compared to the Mustang. Growing up in the 80's most guys at the track and on the street were messing with Mustang LX's b/c of the lightweight and the 302/5.0.(Or even the RWD ricers like the RX7) Not so much the Camaro. The Camaro had the advantage of the access to good cheap aftermarket Chevy power.
You think $50K is too much for a Camaro? So what do you about $50K for a Shelby GT500? The ZL1 is kind of the same concept. A high end, high tech, collectable factory tuner version of a popular ponycar. Not an entry level average Joe version like the old Mustang 5.0 LX.
You are right about the weight being an issue. Can't violate the laws of physics but you can mitigate it them to a large extent with technology. You got to admit it is pretty amazing to do sub 8 min time at the Nurburgring but smooth and docile enough to take your mother to church on Sunday and commute to work Monday through Friday!
04-20-2012, 04:30 PM
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04-20-2012, 11:59 PM
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Bottom line is you Vette guys have little love for a high optioned high tech 5th Gen Camaro. No matter what it does objectively on the the track!
I had a 5th gen, I know what they are about. Its gonna need more than a blower and some supension to help that fat bastard out. Go ahead and spend 50k+ on it, and hang door to door with a stock C5Z...and it still gets *** raped by a GT500..even earlier year ones.
04-21-2012, 05:15 PM
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My mom has a 5th gen, and I've driven several others. I'm not impressed with it. I don't like the crappy visibility, the fact it feels like a boat and how heavy it is at all. Not to mention it looks like a monster truck from the outside unless you slam it, and then it needs wheels. I mean they're nice cars, but they're not in the same league as a Corvette. I'd still rather have a GTO than a 5th gen. They just don't do it for me and they're just not as exciting to drive.
04-22-2012, 07:45 AM
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Yea my girlfriend has a 2010 SS and I'm not impressed, my 2002 SS with heads and cam stomps her car and thats exactly why I never got one. I think I'm going with my dads c6 just for the price difference and maybe get a new ZO6 next year and at least i know i will be able to hang with a ZO6 as it sits. Lets just say that my Dad knows power and he built the motor
04-23-2012, 05:30 PM
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There is absolutely nothing you can ever to do a Camaro to make it handle like a Vette, especially a C6Z. Sorry. Bottom line, you obviously have never owned one of these or else you wouldn't be saying that. Camaro is a different market from the Vette, so it's really moot anyway.
04-24-2012, 07:56 PM
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before i spend 50 k on a camaro i rather spend that on the new 2013 gt500 its going to *** rape that ZL1 ,,,
bottom line go with your dads moded c6 ,, until you can get a c6 z or wait and do it right the first time get the c6 z
bottom line go with your dads moded c6 ,, until you can get a c6 z or wait and do it right the first time get the c6 z
04-25-2012, 09:57 AM
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Sad thing is by the time I get my 2008 the way I want it I will still prob want a Z06 down the road. Hopefully once I put the Z06 brakes on the car and decide on either a SC or a cam I will grow out of the desire for a Z06 then.