Viper & Z06 Track Results
11-30-2008, 07:20 PM
#1
Viper & Z06 Track Results I was invited to a private track rental today (thanks S.W.) and brought both of my cars. I also brought along the truck and trailer, just in case I busted either car. Luckily, both cars would survive this day of beating. Weather was nice, temps in the 60-62F range for the most part. Track conditions were fair, but my traction issues are mostly related to the radial tires on both cars. There were only 5 cars running, so I got more seat time than I've had in years. I probably made at least 10 passes in each vehicle.
Here is some info about the cars I brought:
2006 Viper SRT-10 coupe - 9,600 miles
Stock engine, stock exhaust manifolds with cats
Custom catback
Stock tuning with Split Second piggyback module
Paxton Supercharger with original pulley - 10 psi
Eibach lowering springs, OEM shocks
20" Nitto Invo street tires on the back
675 rwhp and 3,750 lbs raceweight
2009 Corvette Z06 - 1,150 miles
100% stock, as-delivered from the dealership.
19" stock Goodyear run-flat tires on the back
est 440 rwhp and 3,350 lbs raceweight
Both cars are completely different as far as the driving experience goes. The Viper is more brutal, and it has a stiffer clutch with a higher engagement point. Shifter in the Viper has slightly more travel, it takes a little more effort than the Z06. Steering at high speeds seem more stable in the Viper, as the steering feedback is stiffer. Shift points are only 6,000 in this car, which is the factory redline. You cross the finish line about midway through 4th gear, just before it starts to pull very hard. It could use a 3.55 gear for drag racing, instead of the factory 3.08 gearing. This Paxton needs rpm to see real boost, which doesn't really become evident until midway through 3rd gear. It really takes off and you can feel the acceleration jump around 4500 rpm thru 6000. With the 20-inch wheel combo I have on the car, traction is a huge challenge to maintain. I made a couple passes where the traction would disappear going into 3rd gear. Best results came from holding the rpm at ~2300 rpm off the line and slipping the clutch out and rolling into the throttle enough to avoid wheel hop. Once those wheels begin hopping, there is no recovery from it and you must abort the pass. If you manage to get the car off the line smoothly, a short-shift at 5,000 rpm into 2nd keeps the tires from wheel hopping in 2nd gear. No powershifts, or guaranteed wheelhop results. Basically, baby the car until mid-2nd gear and then just keep it straight while the tires haze a bit. Hold on for 3rd and 4th, you can powershift those two.
Best passes for the Viper:
1/4 mile 11.22 @ 135.2 mph (2.15 60')
1/8 mile 7.56 @ 105.1 mph (2.07 60')
The 2009 Z06 was a much easier car to drive, whether that was due to it having less power or maybe just better tires. The first few passes, I eased into the throttle coming off the line, in order to avoid dreaded wheel hop. The car never unloaded or had any wheel hop, so I get a little more aggressive coming off the line. The TR6060 transmission feels very precise, but it needs to be warmed up a bit before it shifts notch-free. I've found it useful to always do the 1-2-1 shift just before entering the staging beams, this gets rid of the 1-2 notchy feel during the run about to happen. Suspension on the Z06 feels softer than the Viper, you can definitely feel the weight transfer off the line, which makes it easier to gauge your throttle vs traction. I was able to shift the car at redline (7000 rpm) on the 1-2 without much fuss from the tires. Just a simple chirp and they gripped well. The 3rd and 4th gears were easy to powershift. These cars really feel impressive in 3rd-4th for a stock car, you can tell they are moving pretty good. They aren't geared very well at all for drag racing however, you can either tap the rev limiter in 3rd at the finish line, or shift into 4th as you enter the trap. I saw a little better mph staying in 3rd, but better ET going into 4th. These cars would rock with a 3.73 gear to utilize 4th.
Best passes for the Z06
1/4 mile = 11.55 @ 124.9 mph (2.07 60 ft)
1/8 mile = 7.60 @ 97.5 mph (1.94 60 ft)
Other cars that were running today included a new orange 2009 ACR Viper that had ported heads, cam, and exhaust, putting down 650 rwhp. It was also traction limited, those Michelin tires seemed to spin pretty badly. With a couple lifts due to traction, it eventually went 11.7 @ 129 mph. The black Toyota Supra belongs to S.W. and he was trying to get the car into the 7-second zone for the first time. The car has gone 8.04 @ 185 mph previously, so they removed some raceweight and installed an electric fan for today's track rental. Unfortunately, the car could never hook very well today, so no new records were achieved. That car looks very violent going down the track, it is still a 6-speed manual! Nice driving S.W., bet it is a monster to keep pointed in the right direction. The black Ford GT didn't make any passes, but I couldn't resist taking some photos of it.
Thanks again for the invite! Nice photos Dennis, I think you've found your new hobby.
Tony
More pics...
Here is some info about the cars I brought:
2006 Viper SRT-10 coupe - 9,600 miles
Stock engine, stock exhaust manifolds with cats
Custom catback
Stock tuning with Split Second piggyback module
Paxton Supercharger with original pulley - 10 psi
Eibach lowering springs, OEM shocks
20" Nitto Invo street tires on the back
675 rwhp and 3,750 lbs raceweight
2009 Corvette Z06 - 1,150 miles
100% stock, as-delivered from the dealership.
19" stock Goodyear run-flat tires on the back
est 440 rwhp and 3,350 lbs raceweight
Both cars are completely different as far as the driving experience goes. The Viper is more brutal, and it has a stiffer clutch with a higher engagement point. Shifter in the Viper has slightly more travel, it takes a little more effort than the Z06. Steering at high speeds seem more stable in the Viper, as the steering feedback is stiffer. Shift points are only 6,000 in this car, which is the factory redline. You cross the finish line about midway through 4th gear, just before it starts to pull very hard. It could use a 3.55 gear for drag racing, instead of the factory 3.08 gearing. This Paxton needs rpm to see real boost, which doesn't really become evident until midway through 3rd gear. It really takes off and you can feel the acceleration jump around 4500 rpm thru 6000. With the 20-inch wheel combo I have on the car, traction is a huge challenge to maintain. I made a couple passes where the traction would disappear going into 3rd gear. Best results came from holding the rpm at ~2300 rpm off the line and slipping the clutch out and rolling into the throttle enough to avoid wheel hop. Once those wheels begin hopping, there is no recovery from it and you must abort the pass. If you manage to get the car off the line smoothly, a short-shift at 5,000 rpm into 2nd keeps the tires from wheel hopping in 2nd gear. No powershifts, or guaranteed wheelhop results. Basically, baby the car until mid-2nd gear and then just keep it straight while the tires haze a bit. Hold on for 3rd and 4th, you can powershift those two.
Best passes for the Viper:
1/4 mile 11.22 @ 135.2 mph (2.15 60')
1/8 mile 7.56 @ 105.1 mph (2.07 60')
The 2009 Z06 was a much easier car to drive, whether that was due to it having less power or maybe just better tires. The first few passes, I eased into the throttle coming off the line, in order to avoid dreaded wheel hop. The car never unloaded or had any wheel hop, so I get a little more aggressive coming off the line. The TR6060 transmission feels very precise, but it needs to be warmed up a bit before it shifts notch-free. I've found it useful to always do the 1-2-1 shift just before entering the staging beams, this gets rid of the 1-2 notchy feel during the run about to happen. Suspension on the Z06 feels softer than the Viper, you can definitely feel the weight transfer off the line, which makes it easier to gauge your throttle vs traction. I was able to shift the car at redline (7000 rpm) on the 1-2 without much fuss from the tires. Just a simple chirp and they gripped well. The 3rd and 4th gears were easy to powershift. These cars really feel impressive in 3rd-4th for a stock car, you can tell they are moving pretty good. They aren't geared very well at all for drag racing however, you can either tap the rev limiter in 3rd at the finish line, or shift into 4th as you enter the trap. I saw a little better mph staying in 3rd, but better ET going into 4th. These cars would rock with a 3.73 gear to utilize 4th.
Best passes for the Z06
1/4 mile = 11.55 @ 124.9 mph (2.07 60 ft)
1/8 mile = 7.60 @ 97.5 mph (1.94 60 ft)
Other cars that were running today included a new orange 2009 ACR Viper that had ported heads, cam, and exhaust, putting down 650 rwhp. It was also traction limited, those Michelin tires seemed to spin pretty badly. With a couple lifts due to traction, it eventually went 11.7 @ 129 mph. The black Toyota Supra belongs to S.W. and he was trying to get the car into the 7-second zone for the first time. The car has gone 8.04 @ 185 mph previously, so they removed some raceweight and installed an electric fan for today's track rental. Unfortunately, the car could never hook very well today, so no new records were achieved. That car looks very violent going down the track, it is still a 6-speed manual! Nice driving S.W., bet it is a monster to keep pointed in the right direction. The black Ford GT didn't make any passes, but I couldn't resist taking some photos of it.
Thanks again for the invite! Nice photos Dennis, I think you've found your new hobby.
Tony
More pics...
11-30-2008, 07:39 PM
#4
Those are some good passes, I thought the Viper would have put a bigger gap in the 1/4 times pushing 650+, but still, low 11's is great.
Good thinking on bringing the trailer in case something went wrong.
And making 10 passes PER car, I guess you've got to be pretty cautious.
And the viper looks pretty similar to the vette' in the 2nd shot, good camera-work by whoever snapped that pic.
Why didn't the GT run?
Good thinking on bringing the trailer in case something went wrong.
And making 10 passes PER car, I guess you've got to be pretty cautious.
And the viper looks pretty similar to the vette' in the 2nd shot, good camera-work by whoever snapped that pic.
Why didn't the GT run?
11-30-2008, 08:30 PM
#7
The black Toyota Supra belongs to S.W. and he was trying to get the car into the 7-second zone for the first time. The car has gone 8.04 @ 185 mph previously, so they removed some raceweight and installed an electric fan for today's track rental. Unfortunately, the car could never hook very well today, so no new records were achieved.
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11-30-2008, 09:17 PM
#11
Track prep probably wouldn't have helped my crappy tires much anyways. I could take off faster on a concrete highway. My first few passes in each car were pretty pathetic, spinning badly or wheel hop. It took 3-4 runs back to back in each car to finally get a feel for the launch technique and what rpm to shift at to avoid spin/hop. It was truly a test of the "driver mod" today.
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