will there ever be a 7 second LS1
12-07-2002, 02:32 PM
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Re: will there ever be a 7 second LS1 how many more years do you all think before it happens? <img border="0" alt="[Camaro]" title="" src="graemlins/camaro.gif" />
12-07-2002, 03:06 PM
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Re: will there ever be a 7 second LS1 Sure, but I don't see it happening anytime soon...
Also, the question is kind of vague. Do you mean an LS1 powered stock suspension F-body/Corvette? If not, I think I could stick my motor in a RED and a big shot of N20 and easily run 7's. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
Also, the question is kind of vague. Do you mean an LS1 powered stock suspension F-body/Corvette? If not, I think I could stick my motor in a RED and a big shot of N20 and easily run 7's. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
12-07-2002, 03:23 PM
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Re: will there ever be a 7 second LS1 It goes without saying that the potential is there. However, it will take someone that wants to make a huge commitment to do it. While that may indeed happen, the chances would be much better if there was some sort of incentive to make it "worth" shooting for....like an F-body racing organization. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
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Re: will there ever be a 7 second LS1 No doubt it will take some time. I mean, we just now broke into the 8's. The 7's will take that much more time. FWIW, the Colonel is shooting for 8's N/A. If he were to strap on a big bottle or two, I can see 7's happening. But, it's going to take lots of time and work. So, I know they're coming, it's just a matter of time and effort.
Ditto what Bob said; what will it take to get an F-Body racing association going?
Ditto what Bob said; what will it take to get an F-Body racing association going?
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12-07-2002, 07:31 PM
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Re: will there ever be a 7 second LS1 I want to see a 7 second LS1! my freinds all say no way, but I insist there will be.. Cant wait to prove them wrong! is ARE planning on doing it?
12-07-2002, 11:01 PM
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Re: will there ever be a 7 second LS1 It will have to be a twin-turbo car I think with a four-link and other non-stock suspension items.
12-07-2002, 11:25 PM
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Re: will there ever be a 7 second LS1 I think Colonel could - If he would spray it btw that intake would be perfect for 2 direct systems but dropping that kinda cake on that engine Id be hesitant to hose the **** outta it too
12-08-2002, 12:00 AM
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Re: will there ever be a 7 second LS1 Put it like this, there is an orginization here in Texas called King of the Hill www.kingofthehill.net these cars must be a minumim of 3000 pounds back half and run any motor combo nitous, turbo, blower etc and any amount of cubic inches some are 700+ci and these cars are running consistent in the 1/8 mile 4.60 to 4.70 w/ 150mph which calculates very low 8's and high 7's and these are all moly chassis 4 link, by Bickle, Haas, RJ, etc.. built back half cars 150,000$ chassis with 40+k motors. And some are running small blocks like the Ford guys but they are running real big turbo's making anywhere around 1800+hp. And i dont see right now of a LS1/6/C5R making that much power with stock type heads, most of the heads we are running on our KOTH car are Big Chief heads flow 550+cfm and the stock type heads are not going to flow probalby more than 350cfm and most of the sbf heads are flowing 430+cfm, The LS1 stock type heads are just not there to make 1800+hp for a 3000# car to run in the 7's.
But you will not need as near as much HP if going to run a rear engine dragster, roadster or even a pro stock type (full tube chassis) door car that weighs 2500 to 2600#'s
My father in law has a brand new 4 link mono shock Joe Monden built dragster w/a 565ci BBC that makes 1170HP and it runs 7.90's @ 180mph in a 1800# dragster.
Just my .02 cents
But you will not need as near as much HP if going to run a rear engine dragster, roadster or even a pro stock type (full tube chassis) door car that weighs 2500 to 2600#'s
My father in law has a brand new 4 link mono shock Joe Monden built dragster w/a 565ci BBC that makes 1170HP and it runs 7.90's @ 180mph in a 1800# dragster.
Just my .02 cents
12-08-2002, 12:35 AM
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Re: will there ever be a 7 second LS1 It could happen if ARE would stop screwing around with those little wussy shots of N20. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
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If Harlan gets rid of those wimpy little twin turbos and throws a THUMPER on his car. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
I think there is a car in the works that is capable of it but, will the motor hold. Will a C5R block hold for 7-8 secs. at the power level required? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> The guy posted some pics of his car a while back in here.
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If Harlan gets rid of those wimpy little twin turbos and throws a THUMPER on his car. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
I think there is a car in the works that is capable of it but, will the motor hold. Will a C5R block hold for 7-8 secs. at the power level required? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> The guy posted some pics of his car a while back in here.
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12-08-2002, 05:02 AM
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Re: will there ever be a 7 second LS1 </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">[/qb]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I don't think power is the issue. It's probably the chassis. A car with a four link or ladder bar setup will be better.
It will probably be a looooooooong time before a stock type suspension torque arm car does it.
It LOOKS like stock type suspesnion on mustangs and G-bodies do a better job. There are quite a few in the sevens.
But with the tourque arm... Hell it's been over 10 years(LT1) and the first 2 f-bodies (1Lt1 and 1 Ls1) just dipped into the 8's (that I know of). They have had the power the whole time. The quickest ones( Mostly Lt1 cars) were running 150+ for years but were stuck at a low nine second wall.
Plus the 3rd gen car is nothing but the same chassis with a different body . So in actuality there has been about 20 years to sort the suspension out. I have not seen a stock suspension 3rd gen run 7s yet. I have not even seen an 8 second stock suspended 3rd gen ( but I have HEARD of one.)
I'm not saying i don't think it will happen, but it will probably be awhile.
Also when you say 7's are you even talking about stock suspension or period. Cause as far as horsepower, I don't think that would be a problem making the needed power in the relatively near future. Just the issue of using it.
<small>[ December 08, 2002, 05:08 AM: Message edited by: Rpm2800 ]</small>
It will probably be a looooooooong time before a stock type suspension torque arm car does it.
It LOOKS like stock type suspesnion on mustangs and G-bodies do a better job. There are quite a few in the sevens.
But with the tourque arm... Hell it's been over 10 years(LT1) and the first 2 f-bodies (1Lt1 and 1 Ls1) just dipped into the 8's (that I know of). They have had the power the whole time. The quickest ones( Mostly Lt1 cars) were running 150+ for years but were stuck at a low nine second wall.
Plus the 3rd gen car is nothing but the same chassis with a different body . So in actuality there has been about 20 years to sort the suspension out. I have not seen a stock suspension 3rd gen run 7s yet. I have not even seen an 8 second stock suspended 3rd gen ( but I have HEARD of one.)
I'm not saying i don't think it will happen, but it will probably be awhile.
Also when you say 7's are you even talking about stock suspension or period. Cause as far as horsepower, I don't think that would be a problem making the needed power in the relatively near future. Just the issue of using it.
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Re: will there ever be a 7 second LS1 They have 4-bangers running 6s? If you are talking about the celica drag car, that uses half a chevy big block. So it's not really a 4 banger it's a half v8. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
but you can't compare these cars to ours, they're tube framed drag cars. They're just like the funny cars that run 5s and 4 second time slips.
but you can't compare these cars to ours, they're tube framed drag cars. They're just like the funny cars that run 5s and 4 second time slips.
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Re: will there ever be a 7 second LS1 </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by AlienDroid:
<strong>They have 4-bangers running 6s? If you are talking about the celica drag car, that uses half a chevy big block. So it's not really a 4 banger it's a half v8. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
but you can't compare these cars to ours, they're tube framed drag cars. They're just like the funny cars that run 5s and 4 second time slips.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">And those cars weigh around 2000#'s unlike like our heavy F-Body's 3000+#'s
You will need to trap around 175 to 185 mph to be in the 7sec range.
<strong>They have 4-bangers running 6s? If you are talking about the celica drag car, that uses half a chevy big block. So it's not really a 4 banger it's a half v8. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
but you can't compare these cars to ours, they're tube framed drag cars. They're just like the funny cars that run 5s and 4 second time slips.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">And those cars weigh around 2000#'s unlike like our heavy F-Body's 3000+#'s
You will need to trap around 175 to 185 mph to be in the 7sec range.
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Re: will there ever be a 7 second LS1 It'll be a C5R motor w/ nitrous. No doubt about it. Hell, there's only a handful of blown LS1s in the 9s right now.
Raymer and Harlan's car look real good and of course, there's the LPE car.
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Raymer and Harlan's car look real good and of course, there's the LPE car.
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Re: will there ever be a 7 second LS1 I just dont think a C5R with juice is going to make a 3000 pound car go 7's it will need 1500+hp!! and its hard to get a 632c.i big block make that much power on nitous.
I see a LS1/6/C5R going 7's in a dragster/roadster not in a door car.
I see a LS1/6/C5R going 7's in a dragster/roadster not in a door car.
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Re: will there ever be a 7 second LS1 </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by onebad96T/A:
<strong>I just dont think a C5R with juice is going to make a 3000 pound car go 7's it will need 1500+hp!! and its hard to get a 632c.i big block make that much power on nitous.
I see a LS1/6/C5R going 7's in a dragster/roadster not in a door car.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It just depends on your perspective. I could make an LT1 go 7s next season if we really wanted to if I put my engine in this:
<img src="http://www.lt4-396.com/Vette.jpg" alt=" - " />
The car already goes 7.50s on an 1100hp 632. No reason why my small block wouldn't run 7.90s or faster. Raceweight is 22xxlbs w/ an Aluminum Big block and 250lb driver. My Small Block weighs the same (Iron Block), but an Aluminum Small Block (LS1) would shave off another 100lbs.
BAM, 7 Second LS1. Would Anyone care (Especially in this circle of people)? Probably not. Name your excuse. 4 Link Suspension, Tube Chassis, Not F-Body, Old Car, Wide Tires, everyone would have a reason not to think it was worth the time to watch the video.
Problem being who's going to spend their time w/ an LS1 Engine when there are better bases to start with.
If someone wanted to do it on a Stock Suspension 2800-3000lb car, More then likely it'd to be a sub 400ci Blower/Turbo motor. So long as they can keep a head gasket in the thing.
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<small>[ December 08, 2002, 03:03 PM: Message edited by: KTamez ]</small>
<strong>I just dont think a C5R with juice is going to make a 3000 pound car go 7's it will need 1500+hp!! and its hard to get a 632c.i big block make that much power on nitous.
I see a LS1/6/C5R going 7's in a dragster/roadster not in a door car.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It just depends on your perspective. I could make an LT1 go 7s next season if we really wanted to if I put my engine in this:
<img src="http://www.lt4-396.com/Vette.jpg" alt=" - " />
The car already goes 7.50s on an 1100hp 632. No reason why my small block wouldn't run 7.90s or faster. Raceweight is 22xxlbs w/ an Aluminum Big block and 250lb driver. My Small Block weighs the same (Iron Block), but an Aluminum Small Block (LS1) would shave off another 100lbs.
BAM, 7 Second LS1. Would Anyone care (Especially in this circle of people)? Probably not. Name your excuse. 4 Link Suspension, Tube Chassis, Not F-Body, Old Car, Wide Tires, everyone would have a reason not to think it was worth the time to watch the video.
Problem being who's going to spend their time w/ an LS1 Engine when there are better bases to start with.
If someone wanted to do it on a Stock Suspension 2800-3000lb car, More then likely it'd to be a sub 400ci Blower/Turbo motor. So long as they can keep a head gasket in the thing.
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<small>[ December 08, 2002, 03:03 PM: Message edited by: KTamez ]</small>