Reckless

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From the list, I get GTS SS as the quickest MN6 with stock CID. Is this up to date? Just curious so I know who to shoot for <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

MIGHTYMOUSE

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u gotta give props to matt h with the 10.0 @ 143

he's about the same displacement as a very worn out stock cid engine.

i consider mine stock with a .005 hone or whatever it was..

Jason99T/A

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Yes, GTS SS has the quickest 346ci n/a M6 car.

I do consider a .005" hone still stock displacemnt.

JS

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Sorry guys,IMO once u take the shortblock apart IT AINT STOCK,Better pistons,balancing,stronger rod bolts all give u the ability to rev it higher and harder for added power and isnt a fair comparo to a stock shortblock H/C car.

But GTSS has one stout setup and its the quickest for sure.10.6 while rowing is BAD ***!!!!

JS

<small>[ January 29, 2003, 02:28 PM: Message edited by: JS ]</small>

Sears

JS they are not talking stock shortblock they are talking about stock displacement. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

I heard GTS SS's new ride will be a lot slower. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />

Justin

JS

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Jears,lastime I checked a 346 thats been bored .25MM is a 349CI and thats NOT a stock displacement according to GM <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

JS

y2khawk

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<img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

Yes, any overbore is no longer stock displacement. Technically.

But if you really think less than a 2 cu. in. difference results in huge amounts of power, you got other things to worry about.

Is there a prize for an unbored block running fast??

Cause i know i can get another block quick, and new pistons real easy <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

I just find it amusing that it's such a big deal.

How about the "fastest non-resleeved aluminum block" car?

does it really matter??

just ranting, i find it painfully amusing that people care some much.

line 'em up and drive <img border="0" alt="[driving]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_driving3.gif" />

And no, i'm not stock cubes <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Reckless

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The reason I was making the point is because this includes power adders.

Matt....don't get into a tussie <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> All this winter weather must have you getting stir crazy <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> With forged internals, anyone can go faster with the addition of a power adder. I just want bragging rights for stock displacement.

FWIW...I do have ARP rod bolts, so I do not claim to be "internally stock".

Todd

y2khawk

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LOL

It wasn't directed at you Todd <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

All these fastest _Fill in your exact combo_ threads make me chuckle <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

I say run what you brung <img border="0" alt="[judgement]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_judge.gif" />

And was it from the movie The Rock?

"Losers cry about winning. Winners go home and f**k the prom queen."

<img border="0" alt="[gruffy cottonball]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_gruffy.gif" />

JS

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.25mm over bore is a 349,then u factor in a better ring,rod bolt (if u choose to use one),balancing the whole assembly etc....

What are the benefits over say a "untouched" shortblock?A better engine suited for REPEATED 7000+ shifts,which in the end will make more power.

If u dont think thats worth anything thats your perogative,but real racers know its worth alot more...

JS

XLR8NSS

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Harlan, just say it so everyone can sleep at night. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_images/icons/tongue.gif" />

"I have the quickest/fastest ~348-9ci LS1 MN6 Firehawk as of 1/30/03" . The "Firehawk" and date are just for good measure. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Please stay outta the stock cid threads from now on. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_images/icons/tongue.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

John

JS

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Hey I am not knocking anyone....
GTSS,Futral,Harlan those guys are FLLLLLYYYING....

Just making a valid point...
Good luck to all....

And thanks for the last post Reckless.
JS

Paul F

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by JS:
<strong> Jears,lastime I checked a 346 thats been bored .25MM is a 349CI and thats NOT a stock displacement according to GM <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

JS </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Stock displacement is 3.898 which is 345.60. The most commom aftermarket piston is 3.905 which is a .007 overbore would make it 346.84. I really don't think there would be a horsepower advantage 1.24 additional cubic inches. Not to mention most off the shelf forged pistons are a little heavier then stock piston which will reduce horsepower.

So would you consider it a stock bottem end? Hell no. Would you consider it stock cubes for comparison sakes? We could argue that until the end of time but I would say yes.

<small>[ January 30, 2003, 03:15 PM: Message edited by: Paul @ Thunder ]</small>

The Juggernaut

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I think with H/C/N20,I can be a contender. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

JS

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Paul,u better open up a SPEED PRO catalog...
.25MM overbore NHRA legal piston = 349CI

Do I think an extra 2/4 cubes are gonna make a big deal,NO WAY.But how about a shortblock that u can rev to 7500 REPEATEDLY,Is that worth anything over a stock shortblock?

I dont think u wanna answer that question,Paul <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
Call ya tommorrow...
JS

<small>[ January 30, 2003, 04:28 PM: Message edited by: JS ]</small>

Paul F

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by JS:
<strong> Paul,u better open up a SPEED PRO catalog...
.25MM overbore NHRA legal piston = 349CI
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'll trust my math before I'll trust a catalog. A 3.905 piston, which is the most common aftermarket stock replacement piston, will give you 346.80cid. I don't know nutten about that metric crap though. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">how about a shortblock that u can rev to 7500 REPEATEDLY,Is that worth anything over a stock shortblock?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">For reliability yes for horsepower no. I don't think I'd want to reving a stock crank to 7500 repeatedly with anything attached to it. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> Like I said we could argue this point until the end of time if we wanted to. I still got a few years left, how about you? <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Call ya tommorrow...</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Cool....


Paul

JS

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U say potatoe I say pataaatoe,Who's right buddy <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Wont rev a stock crank to 7500 huh?
We'll alot of people have done it w/a BALANCED and BLUE PRINTED shortblock with a cam designed to make power up there too.

Was it worth it,Go ask GTSS and Futral.Looking at what there setups run,I'd say YEEEEESSS it definetly worth it!!

Cant do that with a stocker last time I checked?
Unless u want a windowed block....

JS

Paul F

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I hear ya. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

Just messin with you on the crank. My solid roller 375cid is coming together right now. I'll be tuning it about 7200-7400rpms, with a stock crank. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />


Paul

JS

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We agree,Boy this is such a loving board...
Dinners on me when we finally hook up bud....

Good luck with the SR,I'm sure its gonna rip...
JS

Reckless

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JS...I am hip with all that. I used to run a similar motor to Matt's that I built myself (348cid/Lunati Rods/Ross/etc), but my current bottom end is pretty much stock, so I want to see where I can take it before the next motor build up.

Todd