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Old 05-01-2005, 11:16 AM
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Default Can a 2800-pound N2O car compete with the turbo cars?

Let's just say I know a nitrous junkie that has a pretty fast Camaro already. It is under 360 cid with N2O and runs 5.6 - 5.7 @ 121 (1/8th) on about a 200-shot.

If the engine were stroked out to 408, C5R heads added, and the N2O bumped a bit, can this car compete in the Outlaw class?

Let's hear your opinions
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Oh yeah, ever seen an f-body at 2800 pounds with driver that "looks factory"?
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Yes. For example, let's use SAM's car as a reference point. Take a car similar to that, put a 300-400 shot on it and run 7s.
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Let's just say I know a nitrous junkie that has a pretty fast Camaro already. It is under 360 cid with N2O and runs 5.6 - 5.7 @ 121 (1/8th) on about a 200-shot.

If the engine were stroked out to 408, C5R heads added, and the N2O bumped a bit, can this car compete in the Outlaw class?

Let's hear your opinions
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Are you bringing that tube car to BG in August? Like to check it out
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Actually, we have discussed toting both the '99 and Firebird to BG just to have some fun and see all the other FI cars. Is there a class for the Firebird?
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I don't know? Maybe we can talk to Beech Bend about getting a group of cars there for you to play with. Maybe a 7.90 class? What would you prefer? Heads up?
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Well, as you know, we're basically bracket racers. The bird would run 7.10 on the motor and 6.90s on the spray in BG. It would be fun for us to race the fastest LS1/C5R car in some type of ET based, King of Track kinda thing. Or, BG could just add a Top Sportsman race on that weekend. There's a lot of TS cars in that area.
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Originally Posted by Reckless
Let's just say I know a nitrous junkie that has a pretty fast Camaro already. It is under 360 cid with N2O and runs 5.6 - 5.7 @ 121 (1/8th) on about a 200-shot.

If the engine were stroked out to 408, C5R heads added, and the N2O bumped a bit, can this car compete in the Outlaw class?

Let's hear your opinions
That's a good question. I think unless there are some pretty big weight breaks for the N20 cars they probably won't have a chance against that faster FI cars...now that I say that somebody will prove me wrong lol.

I'm building a fairly stout N20 setup (13:1 402 with AFR's and several other things we're trying) now for my car but really have no intentions of running the LS1Tech series as my setup puts me in outlaw where I have no chance against the faster FI cars.

I figure next year when I have a little more $$$ I'll do an FI setup but right now I've just graduated and moved to take an engineering job....so FI is out of the question right now.
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todd i like to see your nos car that went 5.6 to the 1/8
we went 5.7 and nobody has gone faster than since then with a nos car
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I think 5.74 is the best so far, but I may be wrong. 358 cid solid roller, carb style intake with 90mm tb, standard plate type N2O kit with 210 pills. The car Sean Freese at Fastech, and I may be back with the shop very soon.
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wasnt fastech a sponsor dont remember hearing about that car
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I'd like to see it. Give us n2o junkies hope and an "underdog" to cheer for, haha

I think it could very well be possible in Outlaw for a car to look factory and be at that weight. The fiberglass hatch/percy's speedglass will help(granted that doesn't look "factory" but oh well)
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Originally Posted by Reckless
Let's just say I know a nitrous junkie that has a pretty fast Camaro already. It is under 360 cid with N2O and runs 5.6 - 5.7 @ 121 (1/8th) on about a 200-shot.

Well I don't know of too many turbo cars besides Big Rick, Harlan, and Bradys. Not sure what Big Rick weighs, but Brady weighs 3600#. He's been tuning it to run the pump gas drags next month so I don't know what he would run ***** out. Recently he ran a 5.40 index class on the pump gas tune, let out the throttle early, trying not to break out and ran a 5.30. Next time out he tried a little harder not to break out, let out and hit the brakes and rolled through at a 5.70...

So to answer your question.... probably not, but one thing the nitrous cars have on these turbo cars is they are pretty consistant. Turbo cars seem to have trouble hooking up down track and A NUMBER of other issues so... Just because they show don't mean they'll win.

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Originally Posted by Reckless
I think 5.74 is the best so far, but I may be wrong. 358 cid solid roller, carb style intake with 90mm tb, standard plate type N2O kit with 210 pills. The car Sean Freese at Fastech, and I may be back with the shop very soon.
Stock or aftermarket engine management?
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i've seen the car in question run, and there's no potential for it to run with what Harlan, and Duke and the likes are running. the car doesn't really look any more factory than any other car i've seen either. actually looks less stock then Duke's or Harlan's cars with that big hood. not a chance...
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big hood? its a SS hood........................
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it's not a stock SS hood, it's taller
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Originally Posted by A3Z28
it's not a stock SS hood, it's taller

Dont be a hater now Matt, prolly hard for u to do though, being the fact your car is going to be down for a year or so.

It does have a taller scoop portion on the hood, and some holshots on it. ( similar to bogarts). It has full interior with a 10 point cage and kirkeys.

It has been 5.74@ 121 with a 1.24 60ft. on the 210 pills. 358 ci, Stock engine management system tunes speed density by Sean.

I think its possible to hang, there is a good tem of guys that work at the shop and work on the car.
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i'm not matt, i've been mistaken for whoever that is twice now. my name is James. i saw this car run the night it wrecked a while back. it's got *****, but not enough to run with the big boys.
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Originally Posted by TApimp
Dont be a hater now Matt, prolly hard for u to do though, being the fact your car is going to be down for a year or so.

It does have a taller scoop portion on the hood, and some holshots on it. ( similar to bogarts). It has full interior with a 10 point cage and kirkeys.

It has been 5.74@ 121 with a 1.24 60ft. on the 210 pills. 358 ci, Stock engine management system tunes speed density by Sean.

I think its possible to hang, there is a good tem of guys that work at the shop and work on the car.
How did they make a 358 out of a 346 ?


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