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02-10-2007, 03:47 PM
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Damn Decisions Well.. I'm on the hunt for a pretty serious fast car.. My turbo formula caught fire and burnt to the ground..
I love firebirds and turbos. But I love going fast more.
I was something in the 8s easy.. 7s would be nice.. But I can work down from 8s.
It's up in the air btw another turbo car.. Or a nitrous car(most likely Big Block)
The main advantage for the nitrous car is.. I can get a nitrous car that's faster for the same price as the turbo car.. I would like to stick with stock style supension.. But will got to tube frame chassis and whatnot if the deal is right. I would like to cruise on the street with it OCCASSIONALY.. This will not be a DD and I don't give a **** about gas mileage..
What should I get?
I love firebirds and turbos. But I love going fast more.
I was something in the 8s easy.. 7s would be nice.. But I can work down from 8s.
It's up in the air btw another turbo car.. Or a nitrous car(most likely Big Block)
The main advantage for the nitrous car is.. I can get a nitrous car that's faster for the same price as the turbo car.. I would like to stick with stock style supension.. But will got to tube frame chassis and whatnot if the deal is right. I would like to cruise on the street with it OCCASSIONALY.. This will not be a DD and I don't give a **** about gas mileage..
What should I get?
02-10-2007, 05:52 PM
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Thats my dream car, one day.....
I'd say for streetable 8 second potential, either turbo or nitrous big inch small block in a very light car, maybe a notchback mustang or an import?
I had a dream one night a put a Turbo 408 in a geo prism convertible and it did wheelies at every stoplight.
My friend Roger has the 9 second Geo with a buick turbo V6 in it, something like that would be cool with LSx power.
I'd say for streetable 8 second potential, either turbo or nitrous big inch small block in a very light car, maybe a notchback mustang or an import?
I had a dream one night a put a Turbo 408 in a geo prism convertible and it did wheelies at every stoplight.
My friend Roger has the 9 second Geo with a buick turbo V6 in it, something like that would be cool with LSx power.
02-10-2007, 08:08 PM
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buy my nova. You could drive it on the street too. 
https://ls1tech.com/forums/vehicles-sale-lsx-powered-only/652515-1967-chevy-ii-drag-car-68-000-a.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/vehicles-sale-lsx-powered-only/652515-1967-chevy-ii-drag-car-68-000-a.html
02-10-2007, 08:37 PM
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With all due respect, and remember, I'm saying this with all due respect (gotta stop watching "Talladega Nights"), but although that Nova is drop dead gorgeous and very well built, isn't it kinda slow for a back halved race car? Not being a dick here, seriously, but just looking at that car I'm thinking mid 8 second car minimum. I mean, my street car should run similar times and it still has frickin' air conditioning. I guess these days with all the 9 second street cars and 10 second near stock cars a 9 second race car sounds slow.
Hope I didn't offend you......
Hope I didn't offend you......
02-10-2007, 08:48 PM
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You didn't offend me Ricky Bobby...lol.
For an all steel and all OEM glass car naturaly aspirated and footbraking i think its pretty good. Its got a 4150 style carb and 23 degree heads and i only shift it at 7000 rpm. I dont think its that far off.
Its 2850 lbs with around 750 flywheel hp and runs 9.40's. That isnt that bad is it?
For an all steel and all OEM glass car naturaly aspirated and footbraking i think its pretty good. Its got a 4150 style carb and 23 degree heads and i only shift it at 7000 rpm. I dont think its that far off.
Its 2850 lbs with around 750 flywheel hp and runs 9.40's. That isnt that bad is it?
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02-10-2007, 08:55 PM
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I know theres more in it by leaving off a trans brake, shifting a little higher and I've wanted to build a set of merge collector headers for it, But we can only run 10.00 @ the bracket finals and I have to slow the car down 5 tenths anyway so theres realy no point.
02-10-2007, 09:04 PM
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I guess its not bad considering. But if its "only" making 750 HP isn't the whole back-halved, wheelie bar thing kind of overkill?
I wish my car weighed 2800-2900 lbs., I'd be running very low 9's or high 8's. Must be nice.
Maybe its just because I see small tire drag radial guys running so fast and so many high HP street cars (like actual drivers), so when I see a "race car" in my mind it should be fast enough to justify its un-streetability. Does that make sense? All the tubbed cars around here run in the mid 8's, so I guess I'm just used to tubbed cars being faster.
So did you use those 23 degree heads and 4150 style carb out of neccessity, like to fit in a particular class?
I don't think the math works out either. 750 HP, 2850 lbs, 141 MPH? My car weighs 3800 lbs, makes about 800-830 HP (est. flywheel, 730 at the wheels), and can trap real close to 140. I would think that Nova should trap alot higher, no? I'm not good at calculating that stuff, but I bet someone here can.
Either way, the car is beautiful. You don't see clean race cars like that very often. I'd be scared to drive it for fear of a rock chip!
I wish my car weighed 2800-2900 lbs., I'd be running very low 9's or high 8's. Must be nice.
Maybe its just because I see small tire drag radial guys running so fast and so many high HP street cars (like actual drivers), so when I see a "race car" in my mind it should be fast enough to justify its un-streetability. Does that make sense? All the tubbed cars around here run in the mid 8's, so I guess I'm just used to tubbed cars being faster.
So did you use those 23 degree heads and 4150 style carb out of neccessity, like to fit in a particular class?
I don't think the math works out either. 750 HP, 2850 lbs, 141 MPH? My car weighs 3800 lbs, makes about 800-830 HP (est. flywheel, 730 at the wheels), and can trap real close to 140. I would think that Nova should trap alot higher, no? I'm not good at calculating that stuff, but I bet someone here can.
Either way, the car is beautiful. You don't see clean race cars like that very often. I'd be scared to drive it for fear of a rock chip!
02-10-2007, 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by TS6
I had a dream one night a put a Turbo 408 in a geo prism convertible and it did wheelies at every stoplight.
There is a local one of those but hard top with a blown big block or small bock. Runs 9's I think and VERY streetable.
02-10-2007, 09:16 PM
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I run the same mph everyone else does at the track who runs my e.t. 8.90 cars trap 150.
Considering these cars were monoleaf springs and a max of an 8" wide rim, thats a pretty good reason to backhalf one. overkill? Theres not to many options. Its built so it can run 8.50's if so desired. no need to rebuild the car all over again to run faster. Just build it right the first time.
The motor was built so it could be driven on the street and so the motor isnt on kill all the time.
thanks for the compliments. Lets take this to PM. we're hijacking this thread
Considering these cars were monoleaf springs and a max of an 8" wide rim, thats a pretty good reason to backhalf one. overkill? Theres not to many options. Its built so it can run 8.50's if so desired. no need to rebuild the car all over again to run faster. Just build it right the first time.
The motor was built so it could be driven on the street and so the motor isnt on kill all the time.
thanks for the compliments. Lets take this to PM. we're hijacking this thread
02-10-2007, 11:34 PM
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badass nova.. def show quality as well.. so kudos.. I'm set on this on turbo firebird unless someone comes with something else.. I'm just unsure if a N2O car would be better.
02-11-2007, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by FormulaFire
badass nova.. def show quality as well.. so kudos.. I'm set on this on turbo firebird unless someone comes with something else.. I'm just unsure if a N2O car would be better.
How about turbo WITH nitrous?
If its a dedicated race car, its hard to beat N2O. Its so much cheaper, easier to package, and I think less effected by changing weather conditions.
If its a street car, its nice to have the turbo. Or both......
02-11-2007, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by TS6
How about turbo WITH nitrous?
If its a dedicated race car, its hard to beat N2O. Its so much cheaper, easier to package, and I think less effected by changing weather conditions.
If its a street car, its nice to have the turbo. Or both......
If its a dedicated race car, its hard to beat N2O. Its so much cheaper, easier to package, and I think less effected by changing weather conditions.
If its a street car, its nice to have the turbo. Or both......
N20 is looking to have more benefits than the turbo.. Look at Tim Lynch though.. Turbo.. But that's ANOTHER LEVEL... Decisions Decisions..
02-12-2007, 03:20 PM
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I think BBC's are cool too, it's just that I don't personally have an interest any more in driving older built cars. I had a bunch of old cars in the past, like Novas, Chevelles, and 1st gen Camaros.
If it was me I'd do a 4th gen or a C5 turbo project. Either would still be affordable and cool.
If it was me I'd do a 4th gen or a C5 turbo project. Either would still be affordable and cool.
02-12-2007, 04:03 PM
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BBC!
When I get the money and get another car to bracket race my '67 is gonna be an outlaw 10.5 car with the BBC on spray. My 2900 pound car with a very mild N/A 468 runs 9.30's, I'm more than sure with a bigger motor and spray I could get it down in the very low 5's 1/8 mile.
When I get the money and get another car to bracket race my '67 is gonna be an outlaw 10.5 car with the BBC on spray. My 2900 pound car with a very mild N/A 468 runs 9.30's, I'm more than sure with a bigger motor and spray I could get it down in the very low 5's 1/8 mile.
