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Old 01-01-2009, 04:28 PM
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Late 2000 Pontiac Trans Am ws6 - 95,xxx miles

LG Motorsports G5x3 112 camshaft
PRC .650" dual spring kit
PRC 7.425" pushrods
GM LS7 lifters & new lifter guide cups
GM MLS headgaskets & GM heabolts {had graphite headgaskets stock}
GM LS2 timing chain {reused stock LS1 gears}
Melling 10296 oil pump {blue spring installed}
PowerBond 25% underdrive

NGK TR55's @ .055" , MSD wires
Castrol 10w-30w , AC Delco PF46
Bosch 13111 02's

LS6 intake manifold w/ new GM gaskets
Stock throttle body {nonported}
Stock MAF
MTI lid , K&N

1.75'' XS stainless steel longtube headers
Texas Speed & Performance 3" x-pipe w/Dynomax bullet mufflers dumped

6spd slightly upgraded by T56R/SSI
Textralia Exo-Skel twin disk clutch
PST 3.5" alloy driveshaft 1350
Moser 9" 4.11's
Old 01-01-2009, 04:39 PM
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Very nice numbers, torque curve looks great. Are those numbers STD or SAE? Did you keep the stock SCR or bump it up?
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Stock 241 heads with the triangles and stock compression . I only cleaned them with brake parts cleaner .

std uncorrected 1.00 , 437/411
Old 01-01-2009, 07:38 PM
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Nice numbers!!! The G5X3 never seems to disapoint.
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Great torque curve for a cam-only setup.
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Damn. . why can't my lt1 do that lol. Nice #s!
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Awesome bro. Funny though my 2000 FRC with pro longtubes, 78mm FAST, and g5x3 on a 114 (I think) made barely 400 rwhp 380 rwtq. Your under drive pully must've helped some but doesn't explain the big difference in power. I see you have 7.425 pr's, I have 7.4's What's the difference ??

On a side note my FRC was a factory turd, bone stock made 300 rwhp 300 rwtq. Worst tune ever from the factory.
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Originally Posted by allngn_c5
I see you have 7.425 pr's, I have 7.4's What's the difference ??

On a side note my FRC was a factory turd, bone stock made 300 rwhp 300 rwtq. Worst tune ever from the factory.

Difference is the length duh ! just kidding.

I wouldn't call 300rwhp stock on the OEM tune a turd; I'd call it very average. I had a 100% stock 01 M6 F-bod this week make 302rwhp on his OEM file. Before the pull he asked me how much it'd make. I told him 300-305...


Though, fwiw, I tuned an 02 WS6 with 35x3 on a 114 LSA, QTPs, ORY, Borla, stock MAF, no pulley, no other mods and it made 409 rwhp and 385ish (dont remember the exact tq number but this was close).
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The length, haha good one.

I asked because I see many engine builds calling for 7.375, 7.400, 7.425 etc pr's and I was wondering what necessitates the need for the shorter or longer pushrods ??? Good joke Frost, lol.
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As far as 300 to the wheels bone stock my buddies 2000 coupe made 320 rwhp 325 rwtq (M6). I was quite surprised. However when we compared the amount of timing that was in the factory tune (8*'s) more advance in his tune clearly explains his extra hp.
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nice numbers, how do you like your texas speed true duals.
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Before result's on the same dyno . STD uncorrected 1.02 , SAE corrected 1.00 .
https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamomet...-bolt-ons.html
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Originally Posted by MYSTIC-1SC
nice numbers, how do you like your texas speed true duals.
I think they do alright . Never had any complaints myself .
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Does is drive well? Have you had other cam only cars?
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what the specs on that cam????
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It drives pretty good considering , needs a little more technique taking off from a stop than before but thats to be expected .
Once rolling I can put it in 5th going slow without chugging . This is my first cammed LS1 car but not my first cammed vehicle .

23X/24X @.050 .600"/.610" 112/108

Tried to get a before and after overlay but no luck so heres a crude one I made .


Rpm - Stock cam Tq - G5x3 Tq - Difference
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2800 - 315 ----------- 325 ------ + 10
3000 - 318 ----------- 340 ------ + 22
3500 - 323 ----------- 375 ------ + 52
4000 - 335 ----------- 385 ------ + 50
4500 - 345 ----------- 395 ------ + 50
4800 - 347 ----------- 402 ------ + 55
5000 - 345 ----------- 400 ------ + 55
5250 - 340 ----------- 397 ------ + 57
5500 - 330 ----------- 390 ------ + 60
5800 - 315 ----------- 380 ------ + 65
6000 - 295 ----------- 375 ------ + 80
6250 - 285 ----------- 365 ------ + 80
6500 ----------------- 345

Rpm - Stock cam Hp - G5x3 Hp - Difference
______________________________________
2800 - 165 ----------- 175 ------ + 10
3000 - 180 ----------- 195 ------ + 15
3500 - 218 ----------- 249 ------ + 31
4000 - 257 ----------- 295 ------ + 38
4500 - 295 ----------- 340 ------ + 45
4800 - 315 ----------- 365 ------ + 50
5000 - 330 ----------- 385 ------ + 55
5250 - 340 ----------- 397 ------ + 57
5500 - 345 ----------- 412 ------ + 67
5800 - 343 ----------- 420 ------ + 77
6000 - 340 ----------- 425 ------ + 85
6250 - 337 ----------- 428 ------ + 91
6500 ----------------- 427

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nice results and nice overlay writeup. I got my cam a few months ago, a little smaller then yours, no LS6 intake, and you do have true duals so you have better results then me haha. With better intake/tb and heads wicked setup.

Ever think how well a fully built 346 would be with that many miles on it?? Mine is roughly at 78k and I started looking at if it's worth building it up or leaving it and waitin for next block haha. Wow and those numbers are through a beefy rear end and big clutch.
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I felt a decent SOTP difference when I switched to a LS6 intake . Where before it would only spin in first and get a little rubber in 2nd then hook , after it spun in first and 2nd pretty bad .
This was untuned with bolt ons but definately a difference though , bought mine used from a member here for $350 shipped . You would see a similar gain .

It has some miles on it yes indeed but when I pulled the cylinder head's the cylinder bore's still had a nice crosshatch pattern evident . Mine does not use much oil , I add maybe half a quart in between oil change's . I plan to go through the bottom end eventually .




The rearend is only a 31 spline , trutrac diff so it's not as power robbing as a 35 spline big dog model . I doubt it robs any power .
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Yeah i know i definnitly need a new intake mani I just can't afford anything right now haha. Oh wow 31 spline didn't know that, i thought they came with 33 spline.... I think I am going to be gettin a 35 spline so I will get hurt haha.


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