Stock internal LS1 N/A H.P. record breaker?
06-05-2012, 08:11 PM
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Stock internal LS1 N/A H.P. record breaker? So after much work my car finally had its day on the dyno. Nothing that touches oil has been touched. Car has 2 tunes, 1 for 93 and 1 for E85.
Car is a 1999 Camaro SS M6.
Engine Mods:
FAST 4150
Vic Junior intake
60lb injectors
Jegs UDP
eBay stainless steel long tubes (wrapped)
Texas Speed true dual exhaust
Tuned by Justin at Gulf Coast Motor Works in Naples, FL.
Stock 6 speed trans. 4.10 gears. 10 bolt.
Here is the dyno graph of the car. The higher of the 2 is the E85 tune. This is a dynojet dyno.
Std correction numbers:
393.86hp 378.64 tq
Is this a record breaker? We should start a list to keep track.
Car is a 1999 Camaro SS M6.
Engine Mods:
FAST 4150
Vic Junior intake
60lb injectors
Jegs UDP
eBay stainless steel long tubes (wrapped)
Texas Speed true dual exhaust
Tuned by Justin at Gulf Coast Motor Works in Naples, FL.
Stock 6 speed trans. 4.10 gears. 10 bolt.
Here is the dyno graph of the car. The higher of the 2 is the E85 tune. This is a dynojet dyno.
Std correction numbers:
393.86hp 378.64 tq
Is this a record breaker? We should start a list to keep track.
Last edited by armyboyatc; 06-06-2012 at 06:56 AM.
06-05-2012, 08:58 PM
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No I bought the car not running from a guy in Ohio. I stripped it down. And completely rebuilt it. I pulled the motor that is in it out of another Z28 vert i had. It had factory everything on it down to the factory lid and exhaust. it was bone stock. I will post pics up tomorrow.
06-05-2012, 09:31 PM
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No I bought the car not running from a guy in Ohio. I stripped it down. And completely rebuilt it. I pulled the motor that is in it out of another Z28 vert i had. It had factory everything on it down to the factory lid and exhaust. it was bone stock. I will post pics up tomorrow.
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06-05-2012, 09:43 PM
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The reason I asked, is I have a friend that had a similar situation, bought a used camaro SS way back in 02 , thought it was stone stock, from a lady 2 boot, stock exhaust manifolds etc, He did every bolt on, and had decent #'s, then recently went internal and low and behold, apparently it already had a Lunati cam in it..
06-05-2012, 10:07 PM
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Not doubting you but I know even with my SS it was a freak, I kept track of every (bolt on change) and major with dynos.
2001 Camaro SS (Single Owner, I had it made for me) SLP #1331.
SLP Airbox, K&N, SLP 85MM MAF
RWHP 313.8, RWTQ 331.1 (engine 355+ depending on your choice of dtl)
Dyno After Y-pipes, MAFT, and Free RAM Air
RWHP 320.4, RWTQ 340.5
Added ASP Underdrive(crank) Pulley and ASP Alternator Pulley
RWHP 329.0, RWTQ = 344.5
FLP Long Tube Headers
RWHP 337.6 : RWTQ 345.3
TR 224 Cam w/ REV Valvetrain ( before ls1edit tuning )
RWHP 368.82 : RWTQ 353.33
Tuned - 379rwhp
TR 232/235 cam - TFS 220Ci heads - Meizer Electri water pump.
437 rwhp 396 rwtq
And the latest
102 LSXr Intake/102 TB/36lb injectors/ls2 fuel rails/ Vengeance tuning
459 rwhp /405 rwtq (still have some personal tuning to squeek out a little more)
2001 Camaro SS (Single Owner, I had it made for me) SLP #1331.
SLP Airbox, K&N, SLP 85MM MAF
RWHP 313.8, RWTQ 331.1 (engine 355+ depending on your choice of dtl)
Dyno After Y-pipes, MAFT, and Free RAM Air
RWHP 320.4, RWTQ 340.5
Added ASP Underdrive(crank) Pulley and ASP Alternator Pulley
RWHP 329.0, RWTQ = 344.5
FLP Long Tube Headers
RWHP 337.6 : RWTQ 345.3
TR 224 Cam w/ REV Valvetrain ( before ls1edit tuning )
RWHP 368.82 : RWTQ 353.33
Tuned - 379rwhp
TR 232/235 cam - TFS 220Ci heads - Meizer Electri water pump.
437 rwhp 396 rwtq
And the latest
102 LSXr Intake/102 TB/36lb injectors/ls2 fuel rails/ Vengeance tuning
459 rwhp /405 rwtq (still have some personal tuning to squeek out a little more)
06-06-2012, 06:49 AM
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The engine and made its peak hp on gasoline with the advance at 29.5degrees at the peak hp point.
On e85, it made its peak hp at 26*. However both tunes put more timing to the motor below that point, as I tune for mbt at every rpm point and don't just block out the entire wot region of the map with one number.
Another interesting tidbit about the e85tune.. It made similar power numbers all the way to 34* at peak hp with absolutely no knock. The power was slightly down, but the knock sensors were happy. Just shows the resistance to detonation that fuel offers.
The engine and made its peak hp on gasoline with the advance at 29.5degrees at the peak hp point.
On e85, it made its peak hp at 26*. However both tunes put more timing to the motor below that point, as I tune for mbt at every rpm point and don't just block out the entire wot region of the map with one number.
Another interesting tidbit about the e85tune.. It made similar power numbers all the way to 34* at peak hp with absolutely no knock. The power was slightly down, but the knock sensors were happy. Just shows the resistance to detonation that fuel offers.
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06-06-2012, 09:20 AM
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Hmmm, the torque at the low end almost looks hot cam-ish. The power curve vs. RPM looks stock cam-ish. Those injectors look monster for a stock motor, would love to see the duty cycle on those. I think the idea of "straightening" the intake tract along with opening the exhaust with headers and duals is super interesting. Would REALLY LOVE to see a video with high quality sound of this car idling. I think THAT would be the tell tale. IF this car had a cam "snuck" in by a previous owner, it's one helluva stealthy torque monster. Regardless, these are impressive numbers and I wouldn't bother keeping the E85 tune given how close the results are (which also supports that it's a stock cam, to me). Why give up the MPGs for such a small increase in HP? Nice work! Now get us an idle vid!
06-06-2012, 11:26 AM
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The engine and made its peak hp on gasoline with the advance at 29.5degrees at the peak hp point.
On e85, it made its peak hp at 26*. However both tunes put more timing to the motor below that point, as I tune for mbt at every rpm point and don't just block out the entire wot region of the map with one number.
Another interesting tidbit about the e85tune.. It made similar power numbers all the way to 34* at peak hp with absolutely no knock. The power was slightly down, but the knock sensors were happy. Just shows the resistance to detonation that fuel offers.
The engine and made its peak hp on gasoline with the advance at 29.5degrees at the peak hp point.
On e85, it made its peak hp at 26*. However both tunes put more timing to the motor below that point, as I tune for mbt at every rpm point and don't just block out the entire wot region of the map with one number.
Another interesting tidbit about the e85tune.. It made similar power numbers all the way to 34* at peak hp with absolutely no knock. The power was slightly down, but the knock sensors were happy. Just shows the resistance to detonation that fuel offers.
06-06-2012, 11:37 AM
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Hmmm, the torque at the low end almost looks hot cam-ish. The power curve vs. RPM looks stock cam-ish. Those injectors look monster for a stock motor, would love to see the duty cycle on those.
We saw IDC's at WOT and peak consumption of about 50-55% iirc
I think the idea of "straightening" the intake tract along with opening the exhaust with headers and duals is super interesting. Would REALLY LOVE to see a video with high quality sound of this car idling.
Ask and you shall recieve, see below
I think THAT would be the tell tale. IF this car had a cam "snuck" in by a previous owner, it's one helluva stealthy torque monster. Regardless, these are impressive numbers and I wouldn't bother keeping the E85 tune given how close the results are (which also supports that it's a stock cam, to me). Why give up the MPGs for such a small increase in HP? Because he plans to hit it with a 200hp shot of N2O, and the E85 will drastically benefit him then
Nice work! Now get us an idle vid!
We saw IDC's at WOT and peak consumption of about 50-55% iirc
I think the idea of "straightening" the intake tract along with opening the exhaust with headers and duals is super interesting. Would REALLY LOVE to see a video with high quality sound of this car idling.
Ask and you shall recieve, see below
I think THAT would be the tell tale. IF this car had a cam "snuck" in by a previous owner, it's one helluva stealthy torque monster. Regardless, these are impressive numbers and I wouldn't bother keeping the E85 tune given how close the results are (which also supports that it's a stock cam, to me). Why give up the MPGs for such a small increase in HP? Because he plans to hit it with a 200hp shot of N2O, and the E85 will drastically benefit him then
Nice work! Now get us an idle vid!
And just for *****... Here's a comparison of this car and a full bolt-on 2001 one owner car that came into my shop last year. It was an auto and the weather conditions were obviously different, but you can see the difference the intake made over an LS6 with ported TB.
The lower HP car was a verifiable stock cam, one owner car.
Lastly, the dyno vid:
Last edited by J-tuneD; 06-06-2012 at 01:29 PM.