408 Dyno Tune w/video & sheet
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408 Dyno Tune w/video & sheet
Got my 01 Dyno Tuned by The Shop Inc. in Lincoln, NE a couple days ago and made 466 on his Mustang Dyno. Does anyone have a formula for what that might mean it makes at the Engine vs Rear Wheels?
Added Dyno sheet finally
Added Dyno sheet finally
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Not sure there can be a "one size fits all" formula as it all depends on the drivetrain, and there are dozens of drivetrain combos, each with varying amounts of power-robbing friction. A better way would be to have a table of driveline components (trannies, rear axles, etc.) and the drag each contributes to the whole picture.
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For factory f-bodies, good rule of thumb is 15% loss with T56, 18% with A4. This will increase a bit with a stouter rear, higher stalled auto, stouter auto, heavier wheels, IRS, etc. It will decrease a bit with lighter wheels, CF driveshafts, etc. So the math is, if your car is an A4, divide your HP number by .82. 470/.82= roughly 573. YMMV but this gets you a defensible number.
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Here's a run down of the motor/drivetrain:
Heads - AFR Mongoose 230cc / 62cc
Injectors - 60# FAST
Intake - FAST 102MM
Throttle Body - FAST 102MM
Plugs - NGK TR55
Fuel Pump - Aeromotive Stealth 340
Block - LQ9 4.03"
Cam - Comp 243/251, .624/.624, 111+1 LSA, 110 ISL
Crank - Lunati 4.00" Stroke
Pistons - JE 4.04, 12cc Dished for 11:1 compression
Rods - Lunati 6.125" H-Beam
Driveshaft - Mark Williams Accu-Bond 3 1/2" Aluminum w/ Mark Williams Yokes
Axles - Moser 30 Spline
Center - Eaton Posi
Converter - Yank 3600
Rear - KTRE 3.73 12-Bolt
Transmission - 4L60E, Built Finish Line Level 5
Cam wise I've had a few tell me that I could gain a bit by going changing to maybe something from Pat G or Cam Motion. Currently running on a SD tune and 91 octane
Heads - AFR Mongoose 230cc / 62cc
Injectors - 60# FAST
Intake - FAST 102MM
Throttle Body - FAST 102MM
Plugs - NGK TR55
Fuel Pump - Aeromotive Stealth 340
Block - LQ9 4.03"
Cam - Comp 243/251, .624/.624, 111+1 LSA, 110 ISL
Crank - Lunati 4.00" Stroke
Pistons - JE 4.04, 12cc Dished for 11:1 compression
Rods - Lunati 6.125" H-Beam
Driveshaft - Mark Williams Accu-Bond 3 1/2" Aluminum w/ Mark Williams Yokes
Axles - Moser 30 Spline
Center - Eaton Posi
Converter - Yank 3600
Rear - KTRE 3.73 12-Bolt
Transmission - 4L60E, Built Finish Line Level 5
Cam wise I've had a few tell me that I could gain a bit by going changing to maybe something from Pat G or Cam Motion. Currently running on a SD tune and 91 octane
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Here's a run down of the motor/drivetrain:
Heads - AFR Mongoose 230cc / 62cc
Injectors - 60# FAST
Intake - FAST 102MM
Throttle Body - FAST 102MM
Plugs - NGK TR55
Fuel Pump - Aeromotive Stealth 340
Block - LQ9 4.03"
Cam - Comp 243/251, .624/.624, 111+1 LSA, 110 ISL
Crank - Lunati 4.00" Stroke
Pistons - JE 4.04, 12cc Dished for 11:1 compression
Rods - Lunati 6.125" H-Beam
Driveshaft - Mark Williams Accu-Bond 3 1/2" Aluminum w/ Mark Williams Yoke
Axles - Moser 30 Spline
Center - Eaton Posi
Converter - Yank 3600
Rear - KTRE 3.73 12-Bolt
Transmission - 4L60E, Built Finish Line Level 5
Cam wise I've had a few tell me that I could gain a bit by going changing to maybe something from Pat G or Cam Motion. Currently running on a SD tune and 91 octane
Heads - AFR Mongoose 230cc / 62cc
Injectors - 60# FAST
Intake - FAST 102MM
Throttle Body - FAST 102MM
Plugs - NGK TR55
Fuel Pump - Aeromotive Stealth 340
Block - LQ9 4.03"
Cam - Comp 243/251, .624/.624, 111+1 LSA, 110 ISL
Crank - Lunati 4.00" Stroke
Pistons - JE 4.04, 12cc Dished for 11:1 compression
Rods - Lunati 6.125" H-Beam
Driveshaft - Mark Williams Accu-Bond 3 1/2" Aluminum w/ Mark Williams Yoke
Axles - Moser 30 Spline
Center - Eaton Posi
Converter - Yank 3600
Rear - KTRE 3.73 12-Bolt
Transmission - 4L60E, Built Finish Line Level 5
Cam wise I've had a few tell me that I could gain a bit by going changing to maybe something from Pat G or Cam Motion. Currently running on a SD tune and 91 octane
Or maybe Tony since he designed the heads.
my .02 243*/249* 114*+3*
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416" built by Tony for Jeremy with AFR 230s (243*/247* 114*+2*)
Made 663 FWHP @ 6600 RPM, 579 LB FT @ 5400 RPM.
Made 584 RWHP with M6 and efficient driveline FBody.
For a street car DD, no nitrous I would have Kip @ Cam Motion
grind me something like 239/243 114*+3* but talk with Tony
he will know best.
Made 663 FWHP @ 6600 RPM, 579 LB FT @ 5400 RPM.
Made 584 RWHP with M6 and efficient driveline FBody.
For a street car DD, no nitrous I would have Kip @ Cam Motion
grind me something like 239/243 114*+3* but talk with Tony
he will know best.
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Posted my current tune under the Automatic forum under:
408 w/FLT 5 4L60E Yank 3600 - Need Transmission Tune Advise Please
Having an issue with wanting to go straight into 3rd and hold it for a lot longer. Any advise or errors that someone sees that needs changed please let me know.
Thanks everyone
408 w/FLT 5 4L60E Yank 3600 - Need Transmission Tune Advise Please
Having an issue with wanting to go straight into 3rd and hold it for a lot longer. Any advise or errors that someone sees that needs changed please let me know.
Thanks everyone
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I think your trans is on strike. LOL. Best of luck !!!
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You think even on a Mustang Dyno it still should be north of 500? The shop owner told me that his mustang dyno is pretty hard on giving great numbers. This is the same shop that's putting together Kyle from 1320video's twin turbo zo6 that he posted on his 1320video youtube channel.
I'm not sure where I'd be leaving hp on the table at, maybe the cam is overly aggressive for N/A as the motor was built for Nitrous but haven't ever spayed.
I'm not sure where I'd be leaving hp on the table at, maybe the cam is overly aggressive for N/A as the motor was built for Nitrous but haven't ever spayed.
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Yes, I think you're not getting the correct numbers or its not tuned to its potential. We have damn near the same cams, you have better cyl. Heads with a 2.08 intake vs 205.5, you have 25 or so more cubes so your heads work better on the 4.030 bore, you have a102 intake and TB. I rolled a 534.5, 518 corrected on a Super flow on a rainy day, you should easily be in the 500''s , you're could be.50-60 short, there are a lot of 408s in the 500s.
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Would you think that I might be giving some HP up with the cold air intake? It's the fast toys 104mm lid but maybe others have a better intake they use. I've also been thinking about switching to either Injector Dynamic or Fuel Injector Connection. Guess I'm just trying to figure out where I could possibly be leaving power at.
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I'm using LS3/7 42lb. Injectors, said to be good for 550 rwhp. I'm using an LS3/7 MAF, you don't need anything more than that. You are using an A/T trans. so there is a slight power loss there vs the manual tran's. Not sure if your exhaust is hurting you, do you have cats? 2 into 1 system? Is your CAI built with tight bends?
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You have the better heads, more cubes, essentially the same cam, a little less compression, go figure. Mustang Dyno vs. Superflow?, I'm at sea level so that helps, I use one of the best tuners in N. Cal, appointments are months out. Not sure what to suggest here.
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I'm on a straight SD Tune as nobody has been able to get the TSP 100mm MAF to read right. My exhaust is a custom 2-1 into a Borla XR-1 that makes the car actually sound maybe a bit too tame but doesn't get any complaints. CAI wise it's a straight shot in the FAST 102mm but I've kinda been wrestling with the tune as my cold starts, idles, and basically low airflow situations have been a handful. Has been suggested to try a NW 102 or even the Holley Billet 105mm throttle bodies. So I might try a new throttle body and maybe either Injector Dynamics or Fuel Injector Connection injectors a shot together and see how the car responds.