F13 Dyno Results- tuned by FMS
11-21-2004, 12:34 AM
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F13 Dyno Results- tuned by FMS Here are the mods done to my motor
02 GM LS1 with around 30 miles
LS6 intake
Jet Hot LT's
Asp pulley
F13 cam
Manley springs
FMS hardened pushrods
FMS y-pipe
3:42's 10 bolt
stock TB
open FMS Y-pipe
The first pulls on the motor untuned were 389, 400, 402hp!
Then he went to town tuning and pulled out 430.83hp and 414.43tq!!!
Then Allan pulled off the belt and got a whopping 439.40hp and 421.69tq!!!
He busted his *** tuning my motor staying late and having to figure out a few odd things that happened to come our way. Candy even stopped by to share the enthusiasm.
Here is a scan of the no belt pull
http://www.imagestation.com/mypictur...ion=349%20dyno
I want to give a HUGE thanks to Jason99TA for installing my motor and FMS for the awsome tune!!! Both of these guys went out of thier way to help me out and i can't say enough about them.
Elijah
02 GM LS1 with around 30 miles
LS6 intake
Jet Hot LT's
Asp pulley
F13 cam
Manley springs
FMS hardened pushrods
FMS y-pipe
3:42's 10 bolt
stock TB
open FMS Y-pipe
The first pulls on the motor untuned were 389, 400, 402hp!
Then he went to town tuning and pulled out 430.83hp and 414.43tq!!!
Then Allan pulled off the belt and got a whopping 439.40hp and 421.69tq!!!
He busted his *** tuning my motor staying late and having to figure out a few odd things that happened to come our way. Candy even stopped by to share the enthusiasm.
Here is a scan of the no belt pull
http://www.imagestation.com/mypictur...ion=349%20dyno
I want to give a HUGE thanks to Jason99TA for installing my motor and FMS for the awsome tune!!! Both of these guys went out of thier way to help me out and i can't say enough about them.
Elijah
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11-21-2004, 12:45 AM
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Wow! Those are some incredible numbers, congrats. 
Just out of curiousity, how did the A/F ratio on the first three runs compare to the A/F ratio on the 439 RWHP run?
Josh
Just out of curiousity, how did the A/F ratio on the first three runs compare to the A/F ratio on the 439 RWHP run?
Josh
11-21-2004, 02:45 AM
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Elijah, I'm glad everything worked out well with the cam/motor install. I'm always happy to help friends out. Very impressive numbers for stock heads, especially with the stock TB! You have another 6-7hp left there.
You might have to let me make a pass in it Wednesday.
Jason
I'm always happy to help friends out. Very impressive numbers for stock heads, especially with the stock TB! You have another 6-7hp left there.You might have to let me make a pass in it Wednesday.
Jason
11-21-2004, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Gamble
WOW!!! Great numbers... Forget the MailOrderTune... I'm driving all the way to Lousiana to get my car tuned by Allan... Just have to now... 
Congrats, those #'s are awesome.
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11-21-2004, 09:28 AM
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what rpm are you revving your car up to? im trying to decide between the f11 and the f13, but on stock internals i dont want to rev past 6500 and the f13 says it has a 2500-6800rpm range
11-21-2004, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Black02SS
If you notice on the dyno graph, the car makes power all the way up to 6400 rpms then starts falling off. I would say if you wanted, you could shift at 6500 to be on the safe side. JMO
My FM11 stops making power at about 6100 rpms.
My FM11 stops making power at about 6100 rpms.
. by the way, GREAT numbers, Kalijah98z!
11-21-2004, 09:52 AM
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Those number's are pretty much unbelievable.
You figure WITHOUT the cam, at the VERY MOST that car would pull 370rwhp. I actually can't ever recall see a just-exhaust LS1 pull that much but for arguments sake, we will say 370rwhp. That would mean the cam is producing a minimum of an additional 70rwhp. I have never heard of just a cam adding that kind of power. I don't know, something just seems fishy b/c those number's are literally insane! 440rwhp 230/232 cam only?? And thats with stock TB too, lol. Come on....
Also, only 30 miles on that motor and you are doing ***** out dyno's?? Arent you supposed to let the motor break in before you start winding it out like that??
You figure WITHOUT the cam, at the VERY MOST that car would pull 370rwhp. I actually can't ever recall see a just-exhaust LS1 pull that much but for arguments sake, we will say 370rwhp. That would mean the cam is producing a minimum of an additional 70rwhp. I have never heard of just a cam adding that kind of power. I don't know, something just seems fishy b/c those number's are literally insane! 440rwhp 230/232 cam only?? And thats with stock TB too, lol. Come on....
Also, only 30 miles on that motor and you are doing ***** out dyno's?? Arent you supposed to let the motor break in before you start winding it out like that??
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11-21-2004, 10:23 AM
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I guess I don't personally see where they are that unbelievable. Damian made 470+ with his FM13 and Gomer did good numbers as well.
On my car, I personally didn't see any gain on the dyno with my Shaner TB. Add a set of heads to his car, say 40hp gain, that would bring him up to 480hp. Subtrack say, 10 hp for a rear and he is at the 470 range. Doesn't seem to unreasonable to me.
On my car, I personally didn't see any gain on the dyno with my Shaner TB. Add a set of heads to his car, say 40hp gain, that would bring him up to 480hp. Subtrack say, 10 hp for a rear and he is at the 470 range. Doesn't seem to unreasonable to me.
11-21-2004, 11:17 AM
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this is what i think. the numbers are freaking awesome BUT i dont belive its the cam. that cam usually is around 400rwhp 95% of the time which is still excellent for a cam only. I bet if he put a tr224 in that car it would make 415 + rwhp which is alot more RWHP than the norm. it seems Damians car gomers and a few others ALWAYS make big numbers with ANY cam and people see this and wow! thats what i want and then they go the setup and dont produce the same numbers of these freak cars.
kinda like my setup. the guy before my me made 430rwhp with a AUTO using my heads i bought from him and the same exact comp cam. i figured with my 6speed i should see 450ish rwhp. Mikey from rapid did the tune and he got 429rwhp out of the setup. hmmm.
congrats on the excellent numbers and a freak car.
kinda like my setup. the guy before my me made 430rwhp with a AUTO using my heads i bought from him and the same exact comp cam. i figured with my 6speed i should see 450ish rwhp. Mikey from rapid did the tune and he got 429rwhp out of the setup. hmmm.
congrats on the excellent numbers and a freak car.
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11-21-2004, 11:26 AM
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Good point 30th. I am thinking the guy got an 02 LS6 motor, not an 02 LS1.
I noticed Damian said this is the best daily driver cam around?? I would have thought this wouldn't be all that daily driver friendly. I'd like to hear mor input on there characteristics:
idle (futral description is "rough")
How is it in stop and go traffic.
How is the power around town at low rpms?
How is it cruising at 70 mph in 6th gear-do you get a chug-chug trying to go up a slight incline?
I noticed Damian said this is the best daily driver cam around?? I would have thought this wouldn't be all that daily driver friendly. I'd like to hear mor input on there characteristics:
idle (futral description is "rough")
How is it in stop and go traffic.
How is the power around town at low rpms?
How is it cruising at 70 mph in 6th gear-do you get a chug-chug trying to go up a slight incline?
11-21-2004, 11:46 AM
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Thanks for the input Black, but the FM11 is listed as "fair" idle + you also have heads to beef up the lower end of your power band + you also have 4.11's which means 70mp is a higher idle point for you.
Glad you mentioned your experience though b/c an FM11 cam was always a consideration for me. I have heard from a few people that it's a surprisingly smooth running cam. I also heard one sound clip of an FM11 on LS1sounds.com and it sounded smoother than all the TR224 clips I heard.
Glad you mentioned your experience though b/c an FM11 cam was always a consideration for me. I have heard from a few people that it's a surprisingly smooth running cam. I also heard one sound clip of an FM11 on LS1sounds.com and it sounded smoother than all the TR224 clips I heard.
11-21-2004, 12:35 PM
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Thanks for the input Black, but the FM11 is listed as "fair" idle + you also have heads to beef up the lower end of your power band + you also have 4.11's which means 70mp is a higher idle point for you.
Glad you mentioned your experience though b/c an FM11 cam was always a consideration for me. I have heard from a few people that it's a surprisingly smooth running cam. I also heard one sound clip of an FM11 on LS1sounds.com and it sounded smoother than all the TR224 clips I heard.
Glad you mentioned your experience though b/c an FM11 cam was always a consideration for me. I have heard from a few people that it's a surprisingly smooth running cam. I also heard one sound clip of an FM11 on LS1sounds.com and it sounded smoother than all the TR224 clips I heard.
I will get ahold of my buddy. He swaped in a FM11 for his TR224, cam only. Thanks for the compliment, I do believe that is my sound clip.
Also, I did notice a low end difference when I swapped to the FM11.
11-21-2004, 01:08 PM
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KB99WS6, I made the #'s in my sig with the FM13 and Stg 1.5 (stock exhaust valve) TEA heads through an 8.8/4:10 combinations. Without the heads, my car would still be in the 410-420 rwhp range still. This guy's #'s are very much believable. You forget to consider he still has the 10 bolt/3:42's, that is the absolute BEST combination to dyno with in an M6. With a 12 bolt/4:10 setup, it'd be a 420-425 rwhp car. Still bad *** #'s regardless...
As for the driveability to the FM13, factoring in how much power it makes, it's second to NONE. I've driven all over the planet with that cam, including a 880 mile round trip to Florida which I got 29mpg. I have zero driveabiity tuning and a STOCK IDLE. It's by far the best driving 230 cam on the planet IMO....
As for the driveability to the FM13, factoring in how much power it makes, it's second to NONE. I've driven all over the planet with that cam, including a 880 mile round trip to Florida which I got 29mpg. I have zero driveabiity tuning and a STOCK IDLE. It's by far the best driving 230 cam on the planet IMO....
