TSP Magic Stick v.3 Dyno
03-15-2005, 07:13 PM
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TSP Magic Stick v.3 Dyno I got my car dynotuned yesterday it made 401 RWHP and 365 RWTQ. I was hoping for at least 410-420 RWHP. I just bought a set of 4:10s today and some NGK TR6s to maybe get the numbers up some. What other bolt on mods should i do that would increase power? (current mods listed below)
03-15-2005, 08:11 PM
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That was through the cut out and the numbers are SAE corrected. Maybe I just need some more mods like True duals and ported TB and MAF. Ihear underdrive pulleys are a rip off and they only give you like 1-2 rwhp.
Cam specs are 237/242 603/609 113 LSA
Cam specs are 237/242 603/609 113 LSA
03-15-2005, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ws.6kid
That was through the cut out and the numbers are SAE corrected. Maybe I just need some more mods like True duals and ported TB and MAF. Ihear underdrive pulleys are a rip off and they only give you like 1-2 rwhp.
Cam specs are 237/242 603/609 113 LSA
Cam specs are 237/242 603/609 113 LSA
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03-15-2005, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by mike's02ls1
My Magic stick is a 236/242 .600/.608 113LSA cause i'm using a stock timing chain. I have a powerbond pulley with a TSP ported TB. My MAF still has it screen. Good luck, maybe it could be the tuner. I bet Jason could have work a little more out of it, even under the curve.
03-15-2005, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Full-Force
how does the timing chain affect lift and uration of the cam?
03-15-2005, 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ws.6kid
That was through the cut out and the numbers are SAE corrected. Maybe I just need some more mods like True duals and ported TB and MAF. Ihear underdrive pulleys are a rip off and they only give you like 1-2 rwhp.
Cam specs are 237/242 603/609 113 LSA
Cam specs are 237/242 603/609 113 LSA
STD corrections tend to give you an extra 3% hp/tq gain over SAE which is the correction factor we all go by. It looks like you're probably making around 388rwhp/355rwtq or so SAE. If you get 4.10's in the car that is going to lower your horsepower numbers even more, and NGK TR6's are colder nitrous plugs which again, will drop your horsepower numbers even more (albeit minimally)
Something is not right with your car. With the mods you have, and that size cam, I would have expected a lot more power than what you are.
03-15-2005, 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by verbs
I hate to break it to you bro, but your graph is not SAE corrected, it's STD corrected as can be seen in the upper right hand corner of your dyno graph.
STD corrections tend to give you an extra 3% hp/tq gain over SAE which is the correction factor we all go by. It looks like you're probably making around 388rwhp/355rwtq or so SAE. If you get 4.10's in the car that is going to lower your horsepower numbers even more, and NGK TR6's are colder nitrous plugs which again, will drop your horsepower numbers even more (albeit minimally)
Something is not right with your car. With the mods you have, and that size cam, I would have expected a lot more power than what you are.
STD corrections tend to give you an extra 3% hp/tq gain over SAE which is the correction factor we all go by. It looks like you're probably making around 388rwhp/355rwtq or so SAE. If you get 4.10's in the car that is going to lower your horsepower numbers even more, and NGK TR6's are colder nitrous plugs which again, will drop your horsepower numbers even more (albeit minimally)
Something is not right with your car. With the mods you have, and that size cam, I would have expected a lot more power than what you are.
This sux, hopefully I can find out what is wrong, well at least my tuner gave me dynotunes for life.
03-15-2005, 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ws.6kid
What could it be?? fuel injectors? I put NGK TR6 cause im planning to spray pretty soon. Supposedly my freind gained 9 RWHP from a 3:73 gear swap in a cammed ls1??
This sux, hopefully I can find out what is wrong, well at least my tuner gave me dynotunes for life.
This sux, hopefully I can find out what is wrong, well at least my tuner gave me dynotunes for life.
03-15-2005, 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ws.6kid
What could it be?? fuel injectors? I put NGK TR6 cause im planning to spray pretty soon. Supposedly my freind gained 9 RWHP from a 3:73 gear swap in a cammed ls1??
This sux, hopefully I can find out what is wrong, well at least my tuner gave me dynotunes for life.
This sux, hopefully I can find out what is wrong, well at least my tuner gave me dynotunes for life.
03-15-2005, 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by lilbuddy1587
again, I'm not very impressed with these claimed "torque monster TSP cams" No offense to anyone
03-16-2005, 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by ws.6kid
Actually TSP cams aren't tourqe monsters at all... They have really good peak HP and good powerbands.
03-16-2005, 06:06 AM
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I will be dynoing the EXACT same setup today with my car, only with a Borla and the open plate. Stock TB, stock MAF, STock Bellow and stock pulley. We'll see. I hope I hit 400hp
Oh and in some cases, depending on barometric pressure (DA) temps, humidity etc, SAE will show more HP then STD/Actual if the conditions are really bad in the shop. This can happen in Houston during the summer. I have over 400 dyno pulls on my busa and see this from time to time.
Oh and in some cases, depending on barometric pressure (DA) temps, humidity etc, SAE will show more HP then STD/Actual if the conditions are really bad in the shop. This can happen in Houston during the summer. I have over 400 dyno pulls on my busa and see this from time to time.
03-16-2005, 06:13 AM
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BTW the guys at G-Force claim to only have 2 cam only cars break over 400rwhp with ALL the cams they try, not just the TSP so.....
ws6, I seriously doubt there is anything wrong with your car, maybe the tuning could be better but... Most of these guys on this board are breaking 400-410hp WITH a pulley, ported TB, smooth bellow and MAF ends so... Don't listen to the hate, you could gain another 10rwhp with all that stuff and you would be right there. I have two buddys, one with a C5 and one with a TA that both had cams and full bolt ons, one made 387hp and the other 389hp. Both were with the 224/228 and a 231/228 on 112 lsa. Both were tuned in houston by the same shop.
If your car runs good and drives fine in the city, take it to the track and get the real #s. If it does atleast 115-116mph, your right on target.
ws6, I seriously doubt there is anything wrong with your car, maybe the tuning could be better but... Most of these guys on this board are breaking 400-410hp WITH a pulley, ported TB, smooth bellow and MAF ends so... Don't listen to the hate, you could gain another 10rwhp with all that stuff and you would be right there. I have two buddys, one with a C5 and one with a TA that both had cams and full bolt ons, one made 387hp and the other 389hp. Both were with the 224/228 and a 231/228 on 112 lsa. Both were tuned in houston by the same shop.
If your car runs good and drives fine in the city, take it to the track and get the real #s. If it does atleast 115-116mph, your right on target.
03-16-2005, 12:24 PM
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What I've noticed is that the LS1 heads, no matter the casting, aren't going to make you more than 400rwhp with any cam. If you rip those heads off and put stock LS6, you'll gain 20rwhp.
Why?
Airflow. The stock LS1 heads don't flow well enough at the upper rpms to support higher horsepower. Open the intake for a 224 duration, or a 237, it doesn't matter, only so much air per second can flow at a certain volume and certain velocity. I'm not saying a cam of that size is designed for a 400+cid engine, but it needs heads that flow a certain cfm at a certain velocity to make a certain horsepower. Usually, you need a bigger bore to get that, or something like the AFR 225s...
Bottom line, get some better heads on that thing. AFR 205s don't even flow enough for the air of a 346cid engine over 5k for it to be worthwhile for a 237 cam to replace a 224 cam. Of course, a 224 cam and 205s are gonna flow a lot more air, and thus make more power than a 237 with LS1 heads. The MS3 & 205s probably won't make much more, because I've seen how the G5X3 doesn't make a whole lot more than the smaller cams with similar setups. G5X3 of course has 234 degrees intake duration.
Oh, and all of that pertains to the Dyno. The track is an entirely different beast...
Why?
Airflow. The stock LS1 heads don't flow well enough at the upper rpms to support higher horsepower. Open the intake for a 224 duration, or a 237, it doesn't matter, only so much air per second can flow at a certain volume and certain velocity. I'm not saying a cam of that size is designed for a 400+cid engine, but it needs heads that flow a certain cfm at a certain velocity to make a certain horsepower. Usually, you need a bigger bore to get that, or something like the AFR 225s...
Bottom line, get some better heads on that thing. AFR 205s don't even flow enough for the air of a 346cid engine over 5k for it to be worthwhile for a 237 cam to replace a 224 cam. Of course, a 224 cam and 205s are gonna flow a lot more air, and thus make more power than a 237 with LS1 heads. The MS3 & 205s probably won't make much more, because I've seen how the G5X3 doesn't make a whole lot more than the smaller cams with similar setups. G5X3 of course has 234 degrees intake duration.
Oh, and all of that pertains to the Dyno. The track is an entirely different beast...