Blue Meanie

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Got my car back today from Norris. Tony Mamo said the numbers were average at best, but I am extremely happy. Conservative (safe) tune and a cam with under .600 lift. The car made 461rwhp and 406tq. There is more to be had in the combo, the was some minor port matching and cleaning up of the fast intake. I think in some nice weather and some minor work the 470's are steps away. I am going to install a cutout and see what gains I could get for a track setup. The car made peak power at 6700, limiter is at 6800, so the heads are doing there job. Now I have a base idea what I can look into, I am going to try to pick up the torque number, I have a feeling I will be getting a new cam shortly.

Tony Mamo @ AFR

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Blue...

I would have preferred you quote my entire post if you were going to single me out in your dyno thread. I do feel the numbers are average (not a bad thing) and are inline with your mods, but with all the recent hype these heads have seen lately aren't setting any records either. Thats alot of power and I'm sure with more tuning and optimizing you will find some more. Perseverence, time, and of course money usually pay off when it comes to these types of things.

For those who care, my entire commentary can be found on page two of this thread. Its a long post and I dont want to clutter up and hijack this dyno thread by copying it here.

https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...=552661&page=1

Thanks,
Tony

Patrick G

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I agree with you (Blue Meanie) on the cam change idea. With that duration on a 114LSA, you probably don't have the dynamic compression to make great power under the curve. While your top-end power is strong, I feel that with a better chosen cam, you should see your torque at 3000 rpm rise another 20-30 lb ft and your peak torque at least another 20. Good job and keep us posted on upcoming mods!

SlickVert

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Nice looking numbers
Bob

lilbuddy1587

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I agree Pat, but what kind of a cam would you like to see with a combo such as this but yet still retain mid-range and upper rpm hp ?

bad95killer

First Congrats buddy those numbers are simply awesome & i'm sure those 215cc heads work damn good with your whole combo

Btw how much the heads were milled ?

peace

Blue Meanie

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No need to quote the whole thread. You said they were average at best, so thats what I said. Quoting the whole thing was unessesary since you just repeated it. Ya hurt my feelins Tony, ya hurt my feelins. Seriously though I wasn't doing it to knock ya....much. lol
My power curve is definately a byproduct of the cam. When I got the final specs, it had low lift and high duration, but for me it was good. Right now I have the stock rear and gears, stock clutch, and cheap tires. The high curve is soft on those parts, exactly what I wanted. In the next few months I will have the 9 inch and 4.11's, stage 3 clutch and some stickies. Then I will go with the new cam and tighten up the setup, something with more smack down low. I didn't right away because I might be waiting on the other parts, since I have the opportunity to get a low milage LS1 for my z28. Whcih will be getting built with...ahem...AFR's . If I spend that money, I'll be waiting longer for the rear and gears. There is definately more to be had.

Blue Meanie

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60-61CC, around 11.25:1

CKZ

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That is the highest hp/tq I have seen out of head and cam package (stock bottom end) strapped to NLPs dyno.

I hope my 224/228, AFR 205 combo can come CLOSE to that on the NLP dyno.

Great numbers!

John02SS

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Damn good power in the Florida HEAT! Guys that don't live here don't understand how bad it hurts a car. I know......SAE correction factor, but I own a shop with a brand new Dynojet 224xLC and the correction factor only accounts for so much. See it all the time. Did it today, car that did 440 on a cool low humidity night did 431 today with the same parts SAE corrected. I bet you see some power in the cooler air! Nice setup.

BTW.....I have a 02 SS also and the wife drives a New TL!

Firehawk441

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Nice job.

Blue Meanie

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Thanks for the kind words everyone! Car needs to be sorted a little, 4.11's and a 9inch, cage, clutch, shocks, tires.... Still have a long way to go. Its gonna be fun. I'm ordering these sparco seats tomorrow with matching rear seats, and a wolf cage.

Brian Tooley Racing

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The great part about the cam is it's proven and dead reliable, it is VERY easy on springs. You can up the cam ramp speed and lift, but consider your springs when you do. You indicated your shortblock might be tired? With all things considered including the heat right now, I'd say you have a killer combo.

BTW, I have some AFR heads you can borrow if you want to see the power difference.

Hardtop

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Great results. A set of those Trick Flows would sure look good on my 02 Z06.

Bruce

Brian Tooley Racing

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Tony, if you feel 461 RWHP is average, then what would you call a Vette MN6 car that makes 416 RHWP and 383 RWTQ with your head/cam package?

https://ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iii-internal-engine/391049-afr-224-228-cam-installed.html

Brian Tooley Racing

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Oh yea.....you betcha......If you have been waiting, then your wait is over

Blue Meanie

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HAHA, the cam is exactly what I wanted. I did my research and when we went over final specs, I figured it would be easy on all those stock parts and long lasting. I should mention in this post that its my daily driver and I can't risk breaking. I am now confident though in the strength of the shortblock since I have been rompin it to nearly 7000rpm. The awesome thing is what is left in the car. Some might say no way because of dyno correction, but it will hit 470rwhp when winter hits and it dynos in cooler weather than 98 degrees. Let alone with the little tweaks I can do to get about 10 more out of the car. When I have the rest of the parts I can go all out on the cam, I can shock the rear and tire, not twist the chassis, and not get booted off the track!

BTW Brian, I wonder what you could do with some heads tailored for a turbo....

ChucksZ06

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Hey if those were afr heads Tony would be all about "the area under the curve"

algws6

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great numbers. i have the exact same cam on a 112 and put down 443/403 in my Z06 with a stock manifold and 3:90 gears. this was with TEA ls6 heads. i have definatley made up my mind on the heads for my new project.

Patrick G

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Guys, you can make LOTs more area under the curve with the same heads/intake without having to resort to a cam that is hard on parts. It's all about correct valve events. Your current cam has too late of an intake valve closing point and too low of dynamic compression. You could still run the soft XE lobes and pick up 20-30lb ft of mid-range torque with a better chosen cam. As it stands right now, your setup is very biased toward the top-end. The great news is, you can keep your strong top-end while picking up big numbers in the 3000-5000 range. If interested, send me a PM.