Forced Induction Superchargers | Turbochargers | Intercoolers

Whats the highest boost on 2bar setup?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 07-05-2009, 09:31 PM
  #1  
10 Second Club
Thread Starter
iTrader: (22)
 
SPRAYED 01's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Northwest side of Chicago
Posts: 3,677
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts

Default Whats the highest boost on 2bar setup?

Im currently running 15.5psi using a sd tune and 2 bar sensor. My tuner mentioned that im maxed out at this level due to running pump gas. We had to lower the timing to about 15 total to eliminate all knock.

Im thinking of adding a meth kit and running 18psi out of my tc78. Can you tune the car on a 2bar at 18psi? I know 2 bar is 14.7 but ive heard of people running more as am I at 15.5psi but I wanted to dicuss any possible issues.

Thanks
Alex
Old 07-05-2009, 09:47 PM
  #2  
TECH Enthusiast
 
Johnv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 608
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Should be ok at 18psi, your just stuck with the same timing and fueling as you would at 14.7(the limit of the 2bar sensor) you will likely be running a bit rich at 14.7 psi with a little less timing than it could maybe take so as your safe at 18psi.
Old 07-05-2009, 10:30 PM
  #3  
8 Second Club
iTrader: (43)
 
dudeman's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: texas
Posts: 988
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

what heads and cam are you using to make that kind of power?
Old 07-05-2009, 11:25 PM
  #4  
TECH Addict
iTrader: (77)
 
black98ws6ta's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: louisville,ky
Posts: 2,107
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts

Default

Why not just throw a 3 bar sensor in it and tune?
Old 07-06-2009, 08:59 AM
  #5  
10 Second Club
Thread Starter
iTrader: (22)
 
SPRAYED 01's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Northwest side of Chicago
Posts: 3,677
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts

Default

I'm running a 226/228 .600/.612 on a 115lsa with p/p 241s.
I could just throw in a 3 bar but I understand its harder to tune and I was
Just wondering if you could run a 2 bar up to 18psi
Old 07-06-2009, 09:05 AM
  #6  
Restricted User
iTrader: (17)
 
98Z28CobraKiller's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: WPB, FL
Posts: 5,783
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by SPRAYED 01
I'm running a 226/228 .600/.612 on a 115lsa with p/p 241s.
I could just throw in a 3 bar but I understand its harder to tune and I was
Just wondering if you could run a 2 bar up to 18psi
Yes you can but as stated, you will have to tune the 210KPA line on the VE table based on 18 psi which may run rich if you were to back it back down. This would be less noticeable with a BRFPR. The additional fuel pressure at higher boost might be close but it still needs to be retuned.
Old 07-06-2009, 04:51 PM
  #7  
TECH Addict
iTrader: (5)
 
DeltaT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 2,404
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Most 2-bar sensors will be correct up to around 18-19psi. It is a myth that they stop registering right at 14.7psi above atmospheric. Best to stay with the 2-bar as long as possible as your TPS resolution is finer than with a 3-bar. The 3-bar would leave you with less resolution and a bunch of range unused at 18psi or less.

Jim
Old 07-06-2009, 05:38 PM
  #8  
TECH Addict
 
engineermike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,153
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts

Default

If you add meth, you shouldn't need to change the tune at all. Just let the meth supplement the fuel above 15 psi. Why overcomplicate things and change the tune?
Old 07-06-2009, 09:06 PM
  #9  
FormerVendor
 
qqwqeqwrqwqtq's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: WWW.SPEEDINC.COM
Posts: 2,444
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by DeltaT
Most 2-bar sensors will be correct up to around 18-19psi. It is a myth that they stop registering right at 14.7psi above atmospheric. Best to stay with the 2-bar as long as possible as your TPS resolution is finer than with a 3-bar. The 3-bar would leave you with less resolution and a bunch of range unused at 18psi or less.

Jim
Every one I've used in the past is absolutely maxed at just under 16psi.

No advantage at all to using 2 bar. 3 bar resolution is excellent.
Old 07-06-2009, 09:19 PM
  #10  
TECH Enthusiast
iTrader: (6)
 
W8N2SQZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: California
Posts: 668
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Jim, what 3 bar map are you using?
Old 07-06-2009, 09:55 PM
  #11  
TECH Regular
iTrader: (17)
 
BLOWNBLUEZ06's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Forney, Texas
Posts: 426
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts

Default

18Psi on a 2 bar here. Tune up to 210Kpa which is a little more than 14.5psi (~16psi) and then when it runs out, you still have RPM to work with. It's much easier with a centrifugal since boost increases with RPM.



Quick Reply: Whats the highest boost on 2bar setup?



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:08 AM.