water to air for procharged f body
06-27-2010, 09:34 PM
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water to air for procharged f body Hey guys Ive got project going on right now and would like some imput. What Ive done is took the plastic procharger plenum off my car and built one like it out of aluminum and welded a 3" x 12" fluidyne cooler on it and then transitioned from that to 3 1/2" round to go to my TB. Then I mounted a 3 gal. aluminum tank in the trunk and piped it all in with an inline 3 gpm pump. I tried it out today with just Ice water and it dropped my IAT down at full boost 81 degrees. But what I want to do is replace the ice water with methanol and dry ice. That should be good for the strip but for the street I was thinking could I not weld some piping into the bottom of my methanol tank with the correct size holes in the piping and spray a little nitrous directly into the methanol to cool it down if I needed to? I dont think methanol will freeze and I have the tank vented to the outside of the car. I dont know if anyone has tried this if so please let me know if theres any problems with this setup thanks J
06-27-2010, 09:42 PM
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Ummm..... No dont spray meth with no2 to cool it. 50/50 mix with your set up now will drop the iats even more. I spray a 50/50 mix on my wot runs with air to air and my iats never approach 100*. I can say that with a air to water it will be better.
Hell I bounce around the ideal of putting a co2 spary bar in a water box and befor a hard run hit the switch and let it cool like that. I think that is better than Ice since the water wont need to be changed. I tryed no2 in a bucket of water it work but, the bubbles carried no2 so I need to create a vent out of the car.
Hell I bounce around the ideal of putting a co2 spary bar in a water box and befor a hard run hit the switch and let it cool like that. I think that is better than Ice since the water wont need to be changed. I tryed no2 in a bucket of water it work but, the bubbles carried no2 so I need to create a vent out of the car.
06-27-2010, 09:51 PM
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Ummm..... No dont spray meth with no2 to cool it. 50/50 mix with your set up now will drop the iats even more. I spray a 50/50 mix on my wot runs with air to air and my iats never approach 100*. I can say that with a air to water it will be better.
Hell I bounce around the ideal of putting a co2 spary bar in a water box and befor a hard run hit the switch and let it cool like that. I think that is better than Ice since the water wont need to be changed. I tryed no2 in a bucket of water it work but, the bubbles carried no2 so I need to create a vent out of the car.
Hell I bounce around the ideal of putting a co2 spary bar in a water box and befor a hard run hit the switch and let it cool like that. I think that is better than Ice since the water wont need to be changed. I tryed no2 in a bucket of water it work but, the bubbles carried no2 so I need to create a vent out of the car.
06-27-2010, 10:27 PM
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I dont see it as being worth it. Nothing sheds heat like water, Think about it if meth was better than water we all be running meth in the radiator. The best case for u is to spray a 50/50 mix since you dont really have bad intake temps you should gain alot of power that way. If your looking to cool the water even more the add a heat exchanger inbetween your water box and core, That will also shed some heat off the water as well. If you want to still spray the coolant add a bottle of denature alcohol and some water wetter so it wont freeze, but that way you can drop the water to near freezing with the slush.
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I dont see it as being worth it. Nothing sheds heat like water, Think about it if meth was better than water we all be running meth in the radiator. The best case for u is to spray a 50/50 mix since you dont really have bad intake temps you should gain alot of power that way. If your looking to cool the water even more the add a heat exchanger inbetween your water box and core, That will also shed some heat off the water as well. If you want to still spray the coolant add a bottle of denature alcohol and some water wetter so it wont freeze, but that way you can drop the water to near freezing with the slush.
06-28-2010, 04:37 PM
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Ok today I tried an experiment with 3 gallons of straight methanol in a 5 gal. bucket and took my nitrous bottle and line and put it in it for 30 secs with it barely on and it took the methanol from 86f to -40f so as long as I keep the methanol coolant tank vented to the outside of the car I think what Im trying will work and also it used 1.5 pounds of nitrous to do this
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06-28-2010, 06:28 PM
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You can do the same with water and it will be less corrsive in the long run. Just ad denatured alcohol and water wetter and alittle anti freeze and you will get the same results. Just remeber the type of pump your using will work at those temps.
But thats still a dam good result, next test should be hook up in the car let the intake temps get up and spray it and see how low they would go and for how long they will saty around that temp.
But thats still a dam good result, next test should be hook up in the car let the intake temps get up and spray it and see how low they would go and for how long they will saty around that temp.
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You can do the same with water and it will be less corrsive in the long run. Just ad denatured alcohol and water wetter and alittle anti freeze and you will get the same results. Just remeber the type of pump your using will work at those temps.
But thats still a dam good result, next test should be hook up in the car let the intake temps get up and spray it and see how low they would go and for how long they will saty around that temp.
But thats still a dam good result, next test should be hook up in the car let the intake temps get up and spray it and see how low they would go and for how long they will saty around that temp.
06-28-2010, 09:28 PM
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If I use water/antifreeze and water wetter that would probably disapate the heat faster and cool back down quicker using less N2O right ? Im an old sprintcar driver and Ive still got a hundred or so gallons still laying around thats why I was looking towards methanol but I think from the test today the more dense the liquid is the quicker it cools because it take the nitrous bubbles longer to reach the top in turn cooling the surrounding liquid I think? Hey I really appreciate all of your help thanks j
Im far from a expert im just shooting in the dark with the little i know. But the water- antifreeze- alcohol mix was to chemicaly drop the freezing point of the water. But when it comes to methonal i dont know wich is denser. I have mix meth befor M1 vp stuff with water and there is no visual sighn of the meth in the mix it blends real well. So I think the propteries may be close as far as density. But a side note on safety do u feel comfortable with a couple of gallons of high octaine floating around the front of your car?
with nitrous blowing in it? Im not sure what type of meth you have but if u can buy a meth kit to spray in the intake then id say you will be set for some years lol.Well either way it goes I trully think your on to somthing
06-29-2010, 02:37 AM
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hmmmm thinking about this i think water would be better than meth. Once you get the water cool it will be able to pull more heat out of the air. maybe you could try the above test with water? anyone know the freezing point of 50/50 water meth?
Is there a cheaper gas that could be used? how about C02? cant you get that to 4000psi? just thinking that as the presure drop would be soo much greater it would beable to cool the water/meth better?..... Could compressed air be used?
Chris.
EDIT: did you keep the 4.5inch procharger intercoolers aswell?..
Is there a cheaper gas that could be used? how about C02? cant you get that to 4000psi? just thinking that as the presure drop would be soo much greater it would beable to cool the water/meth better?..... Could compressed air be used?
Chris.
EDIT: did you keep the 4.5inch procharger intercoolers aswell?..
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Oh wow 100 gallons of meth Im far from a expert im just shooting in the dark with the little i know. But the water- antifreeze- alcohol mix was to chemicaly drop the freezing point of the water. But when it comes to methonal i dont know wich is denser. I have mix meth befor M1 vp stuff with water and there is no visual sighn of the meth in the mix it blends real well. So I think the propteries may be close as far as density. But a side note on safety do u feel comfortable with a couple of gallons of high octaine floating around the front of your car? with nitrous blowing in it? Im not sure what type of meth you have but if u can buy a meth kit to spray in the intake then id say you will be set for some years lol.
Well either way it goes I trully think your on to somthing
Im far from a expert im just shooting in the dark with the little i know. But the water- antifreeze- alcohol mix was to chemicaly drop the freezing point of the water. But when it comes to methonal i dont know wich is denser. I have mix meth befor M1 vp stuff with water and there is no visual sighn of the meth in the mix it blends real well. So I think the propteries may be close as far as density. But a side note on safety do u feel comfortable with a couple of gallons of high octaine floating around the front of your car? with nitrous blowing in it? Im not sure what type of meth you have but if u can buy a meth kit to spray in the intake then id say you will be set for some years lol.Well either way it goes I trully think your on to somthing
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hmmmm thinking about this i think water would be better than meth. Once you get the water cool it will be able to pull more heat out of the air. maybe you could try the above test with water? anyone know the freezing point of 50/50 water meth?
Is there a cheaper gas that could be used? how about C02? cant you get that to 4000psi? just thinking that as the presure drop would be soo much greater it would beable to cool the water/meth better?..... Could compressed air be used?
Chris.
EDIT: did you keep the 4.5inch procharger intercoolers aswell?..
Is there a cheaper gas that could be used? how about C02? cant you get that to 4000psi? just thinking that as the presure drop would be soo much greater it would beable to cool the water/meth better?..... Could compressed air be used?
Chris.
EDIT: did you keep the 4.5inch procharger intercoolers aswell?..
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Hey guys Ive got project going on right now and would like some imput. What Ive done is took the plastic procharger plenum off my car and built one like it out of aluminum and welded a 3" x 12" fluidyne cooler on it and then transitioned from that to 3 1/2" round to go to my TB. Then I mounted a 3 gal. aluminum tank in the trunk and piped it all in with an inline 3 gpm pump. I tried it out today with just Ice water and it dropped my IAT down at full boost 81 degrees. But what I want to do is replace the ice water with methanol and dry ice. That should be good for the strip but for the street I was thinking could I not weld some piping into the bottom of my methanol tank with the correct size holes in the piping and spray a little nitrous directly into the methanol to cool it down if I needed to? I dont think methanol will freeze and I have the tank vented to the outside of the car. I dont know if anyone has tried this if so please let me know if theres any problems with this setup thanks J
I dont really get where you are going with this... Are you just trying to get your IATs as cool as you can to just see? Your car can make a wayyyyyy more power putting the meth or nitrous in it vs to just cool the intercooler.
If you are just trying stuff out with extra stuff you had around. I would go with putting the Hydrogen through the 3 gal tank. Hydrogen is the best for heat transfer (from what I was told from a friend thats a nuclear engineer). You can run it at about 60psi and that would be great. I would build the case out of aluminum and run a **** load of copper to transfer the heat out of the water. I dont think that you could fab up something small enough to run it straight through your intercooler. That would be the best if you could do it. I also wouldnt run the methanol in your aluminum tank and inter cooler. Less alone just your regular water pump. It will eat just about everything. Why dont you just run a lot of meth or just make it an alcohol car?
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I did keep the twin 4.5's and to tell you the truth Ide like to stay with nitrous or liquid nitrogen because I get it free but Im wondering can you put liquid nitrogen in a nitrous bottle? Also I have some pics (kinda fuzzy) but they are on my blackberry and I dont know how to put them on here
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I dont really get where you are going with this... Are you just trying to get your IATs as cool as you can to just see? Your car can make a wayyyyyy more power putting the meth or nitrous in it vs to just cool the intercooler.
If you are just trying stuff out with extra stuff you had around. I would go with putting the Hydrogen through the 3 gal tank. Hydrogen is the best for heat transfer (from what I was told from a friend thats a nuclear engineer). You can run it at about 60psi and that would be great. I would build the case out of aluminum and run a **** load of copper to transfer the heat out of the water. I dont think that you could fab up something small enough to run it straight through your intercooler. That would be the best if you could do it. I also wouldnt run the methanol in your aluminum tank and inter cooler. Less alone just your regular water pump. It will eat just about everything. Why dont you just run a lot of meth or just make it an alcohol car?
If you are just trying stuff out with extra stuff you had around. I would go with putting the Hydrogen through the 3 gal tank. Hydrogen is the best for heat transfer (from what I was told from a friend thats a nuclear engineer). You can run it at about 60psi and that would be great. I would build the case out of aluminum and run a **** load of copper to transfer the heat out of the water. I dont think that you could fab up something small enough to run it straight through your intercooler. That would be the best if you could do it. I also wouldnt run the methanol in your aluminum tank and inter cooler. Less alone just your regular water pump. It will eat just about everything. Why dont you just run a lot of meth or just make it an alcohol car?
06-30-2010, 02:17 AM
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I did keep the twin 4.5's and to tell you the truth Ide like to stay with nitrous or liquid nitrogen because I get it free but Im wondering can you put liquid nitrogen in a nitrous bottle? Also I have some pics (kinda fuzzy) but they are on my blackberry and I dont know how to put them on here
i wa juts thinking for people that haven't got N2O handy what else could be used.Dose this look like one of those intercooler spray bars but mounted in the water tank? Thats what i was picturing in my head. lol.
Like the idea of keeping the 4.5s. I know that any additional cooling cores will restrict flow further, but its nice to get the temps as low as you can with the ambient air and then try to cool things futher.
Hope you get the pics thing sorted.
Chris.
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If you get it free then there is no problem! i wa juts thinking for people that haven't got N2O handy what else could be used.
Dose this look like one of those intercooler spray bars but mounted in the water tank? Thats what i was picturing in my head. lol.
Like the idea of keeping the 4.5s. I know that any additional cooling cores will restrict flow further, but its nice to get the temps as low as you can with the ambient air and then try to cool things futher.
Hope you get the pics thing sorted.
Chris.
i wa juts thinking for people that haven't got N2O handy what else could be used.Dose this look like one of those intercooler spray bars but mounted in the water tank? Thats what i was picturing in my head. lol.
Like the idea of keeping the 4.5s. I know that any additional cooling cores will restrict flow further, but its nice to get the temps as low as you can with the ambient air and then try to cool things futher.
Hope you get the pics thing sorted.
Chris.