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Old 04-28-2011, 06:23 PM
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If you think its a ground problem make sure you have the ground wire that goes from behind the alt bracket to the frame rail.
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Preload of .05 could be too tight? Seems odd when I've heard folks running as tight as .1...
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Originally Posted by speedsk899
If you think its a ground problem make sure you have the ground wire that goes from behind the alt bracket to the frame rail.
I do have that braided wire for a fact. I will be combing over all the grounds when I get home tonight before the trans gets pulled... just to be sure.
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Originally Posted by Eagle02
I do have that braided wire for a fact. I will be combing over all the grounds when I get home tonight before the trans gets pulled... just to be sure.
I hope that it is a grounding problem so that it would be a cheap simple fix....I have a feeling its not though. If it was I feel like it would be more sporadic and/or if there was a ground bad it wouldn't make it to 5k rpm. If it was a intermittent ground problem it would probably fix it self the first couple times it arced and made a good connection.
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Originally Posted by Eagle02
It feels a bit like blow out does... so I can easily see where you're going with that. Aren't those non-resistor plugs as well?

You have seen cars dyno and do this same thing due to the plugs?
yes non resister, how much boost? i would say .20-.25 should be fine...... yes i have seen this on non-projected stuff its even worse on nitrous cars i have seen.... i know alot of people here are going to tell me i am wrong blah blah..... i just know what i have seen on my dyno and when i swap plugs the problem goes away....
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Originally Posted by Ryne @ CMS
yes non resister, how much boost? i would say .20-.25 should be fine...... yes i have seen this on non-projected stuff its even worse on nitrous cars i have seen.... i know alot of people here are going to tell me i am wrong blah blah..... i just know what i have seen on my dyno and when i swap plugs the problem goes away....
I wouldn't say your wrong just that I have never seen it. I ran TR6 plugs in my vette with 150 shot with no problem.

My current set up is pretty close to the one in questions, 80mm, 6.0l manifolds, 317 heads, TH400, 9", my short block is stock though. I am running TR7's without a problem.

Does the car sound like it is missing? or is it still smooth and just doesn't pull any more RPM? If its blow out it should show a misfire and the knock sensors should pick it up. That would be easily seen on a log with HPTuners.....if there is no sign of knock I would lean more towards the tranny....if its knocking and pulling timing then the plugs could be likely.
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No knock at all.
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Originally Posted by Eagle02
No knock at all.
Then I wouldn't think its the plugs or a grounding issue. Sorry man......
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Originally Posted by speedsk899
I wouldn't say your wrong just that I have never seen it. I ran TR6 plugs in my vette with 150 shot with no problem.

My current set up is pretty close to the one in questions, 80mm, 6.0l manifolds, 317 heads, TH400, 9", my short block is stock though. I am running TR7's without a problem.

Does the car sound like it is missing? or is it still smooth and just doesn't pull any more RPM? If its blow out it should show a misfire and the knock sensors should pick it up. That would be easily seen on a log with HPTuners.....if there is no sign of knock I would lean more towards the tranny....if its knocking and pulling timing then the plugs could be likely.
misfires rarely get picked up as knock
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Originally Posted by Ryne @ CMS
misfires rarely get picked up as knock
humm....if so shouldn't it throw a code for a miss fire though?

Ok went and got a lesson on knock sensors haha...........My bad

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I'm leaning towards the lifter issue. Lifters collapsing under load. Stock lifters? Maybe try a slightly shorter pushrod.
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Stock lifters are a possibility. They came in the short block I bought, the guy claimed they were LS7 lifters...
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Just a question, but if it was somehow a transmisson issue wouldn't you see massive heat build up in the trans??
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You would think so. Fluid is fine though and the pan temps are ~180*s tops.
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Originally Posted by Ryne @ CMS
misfires rarely get picked up as knock
I had 2 bad plug wires that misfired on the dyno, no codes and no KR. Rpm wouldn't climb past 5900, couldn't hear the misfire, just ran flat.

I think it's in the ignition somewhere, boost and rpm will expose all weak pieces in the ignition.
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when you say "bad", did they ohm out right and just not hold the plug tightly?
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Originally Posted by Eagle02
when you say "bad", did they ohm out right and just not hold the plug tightly?
Ohm reading was within tolerance, they all fit tight on the coil and plug. They where MSD 8mm wires, replaced with a new set and the problem went away. Upon closer inspection 2 of the boots had slight tears that leaked voltage under extreme resistance. (16lbs boost, 5900rpm)

I don't trust plugs or wires when doing a visual inspection, they can carbon track or have other issues that aren't worth the headache. If I have a misfire I always throw plugs and wires on the car first.
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I agree 100% with a ryne@cms I too have seen it on my dyno numerous times. I would seriouusly put a set of tr6's in and take it for another pull and see what it does. It is a LOT cheaper and easier then pulling the heads or transmission.
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Originally Posted by Eagle02
Stock lifters are a possibility. They came in the short block I bought, the guy claimed they were LS7 lifters...
IF it is a lifter issue, could the boost creep also be an indicator seeing how the valves wouldn't be opening fully as well as killing the rpm's? Sorry if that sounds odd. I'm no expert here but very curious what the issue is after reading through all of this. Good Luck with it!!
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I'll get the NGK BP7EFS plugs ordered up tomorrow and give them a shot. What do you guys normally set dwell wise on turbo cars?


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