Forced Induction Superchargers | Turbochargers | Intercoolers

Boost reference location for waste gate.. what is the final answer?

Old 06-12-2012, 07:57 PM
  #1  
TECH Fanatic
Thread Starter
iTrader: (10)
 
jt76's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Buffalo NY
Posts: 1,172
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts

Default Boost reference location for waste gate.. what is the final answer?

I've heard multiple theories on this. Some say to reference it before the TB, some day after, some say turbo compressor housing. I currently have mine referenced to the compressor housing. Where is the OPTIMAL boost reference source. Please, first hand knowledge!
Old 06-12-2012, 08:30 PM
  #2  
TECH Fanatic
 
a4ls2goat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 1,678
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Your boost will read different if you have it before the intercooler or if you have it at the manifold.

Me personally have it hooked up to my manifold.
Old 06-12-2012, 08:44 PM
  #3  
TECH Resident
iTrader: (3)
 
tt383lt1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: mn
Posts: 853
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

manifold for sure. then you actually know what the engine is getting
Old 06-12-2012, 09:05 PM
  #4  
TECH Resident
iTrader: (17)
 
BottleFedZ346's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Orlando Fl.
Posts: 791
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Another vote for manifold!
Old 06-12-2012, 09:11 PM
  #5  
Launching!
iTrader: (6)
 
607motorsports's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Horseheads, NY
Posts: 244
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I have my wastegate reference to the most direct boost source which is the compressor housing but I have both my boost controller and gauge referenced at the manifold so I actually can control and see how much boost is being made post intercooler.
Old 06-12-2012, 09:26 PM
  #6  
TECH Addict
iTrader: (8)
 
pwrtrip75's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Janesville, WI
Posts: 2,383
Likes: 0
Received 9 Likes on 7 Posts

Default

If you want accuracy definitely the intake. So if you have a 15psi spring in the gate, the intake sees 15, who cares if the compressor actually has to make 16-17 to compensate for the intercooler and restrictions... The intake is where you want the boost right?
Old 06-12-2012, 09:26 PM
  #7  
Gingervitis Addict
iTrader: (2)
 
slow67's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: DFW
Posts: 2,399
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts

Default

I wouldn't put the reference in the intake. Wastegates don't seal well on the bottom and leak. Vacuum leak. Also, if you have high backpressure, exhaust could leak into the intake charge, hurting power a little bit. It also has slower response being in the engine, as opposed to on the compressor housing.
Old 06-12-2012, 11:25 PM
  #8  
11 Second Club
iTrader: (19)
 
TX RED's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Edinburg TX
Posts: 1,049
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

intake
Old 06-13-2012, 12:09 AM
  #9  
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (127)
 
NemeSS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Houston,TX
Posts: 6,886
Received 7 Likes on 7 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by slow67
I wouldn't put the reference in the intake. Wastegates don't seal well on the bottom and leak. Vacuum leak. Also, if you have high backpressure, exhaust could leak into the intake charge, hurting power a little bit. It also has slower response being in the engine, as opposed to on the compressor housing.
This.
Old 06-13-2012, 12:19 AM
  #10  
TECH Resident
iTrader: (17)
 
BottleFedZ346's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Orlando Fl.
Posts: 791
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Everybody I seen with boosted 5.3's have it on the intake with NO issues!
Old 06-13-2012, 12:39 AM
  #11  
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (18)
 
itsslow98's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Maryland
Posts: 6,768
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts

Default

I run mine to the compressor housing.
Old 06-13-2012, 08:51 AM
  #12  
Launching!
iTrader: (2)
 
JankesGTO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Houston
Posts: 281
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Ive always heard wastegate responds faster off the compressor housing, both work tho just do whichever is easier.
Old 06-13-2012, 03:39 PM
  #13  
TECH Regular
 
nodrok's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 448
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

intake
Old 06-13-2012, 04:01 PM
  #14  
Moderator
iTrader: (2)
 
denmah's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 5,339
Likes: 0
Received 30 Likes on 24 Posts

Default

honest answer is you can hook it up wherever you want, you dont even have to install it at all.

like others mentioned the manifold will give you the highest and comp housing will give you the lowest, whatever is easier, cleaner, or whatever ls1 tech tells you.
Old 06-13-2012, 05:05 PM
  #15  
427
TECH Junkie
iTrader: (3)
 
427's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Clayton, North Carolina
Posts: 3,898
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts

Default

The comp housing will spike when you chop out of the throttle blowing the gate open if the top reference is after the tb. That is better for the turbo I think, but it can have boost that drops off at higher rpm if the system is restrictive.

Kurt
Old 06-13-2012, 05:14 PM
  #16  
10 Second Club
iTrader: (14)
 
WheelsUp84z's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Concord, NC
Posts: 1,384
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts

Default

I have mine to the compressor housing. The boost guage is referenced to the manifold. I'm running a manual controller, so i just turn it up/down until it results in the desired manifold pressure reading.
The following users liked this post:
noob5,000,000 (06-22-2023)
Old 06-14-2012, 02:18 PM
  #17  
Launching!
iTrader: (6)
 
607motorsports's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Horseheads, NY
Posts: 244
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by WheelsUp84z
I have mine to the compressor housing. The boost guage is referenced to the manifold. I'm running a manual controller, so i just turn it up/down until it results in the desired manifold pressure reading.
^^^ This
Old 06-14-2012, 03:10 PM
  #18  
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (12)
 
got-a-ls1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: earth
Posts: 1,438
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

compressor with manual controller.. no problems..
Old 06-16-2012, 10:07 AM
  #19  
Teching In
 
Marty Staggs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 43
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by WheelsUp84z
I have mine to the compressor housing. The boost guage is referenced to the manifold. I'm running a manual controller, so i just turn it up/down until it results in the desired manifold pressure reading.
This is the correct way.

Wastegates are not designed to see vacuum.
Will they work off the manifold? SURE, but its not ideal.


For the best control and response, it needs to be referenced before the TB and ideally before any IC.
Old 06-16-2012, 11:29 AM
  #20  
TECH Fanatic
Thread Starter
iTrader: (10)
 
jt76's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Buffalo NY
Posts: 1,172
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts

Default

I re routed it to the manifold, I'm seeing the same boost PSI and the response feels a bit laggy.. i think I'm putting it back to the compressor.

Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Quick Reply: Boost reference location for waste gate.. what is the final answer?



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:16 AM.