Red seven-nine

Hey guys im about to start taking the motor apart and the car is a 79 malibu. And im wondering what some of yall setups are and what hp your putting down with a f1 on a ls motor. ALso, Id appreciate it if yall could post some plumbing pictures up for the air to air intercooler to give me some ideas since the engine bay isnt the biggest. I appreciate it in advance

I8UR4RD

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If you wanna max that blower out, grab a 6 bolt block and some nice heads/studs and throw some compression at it as well as good race fuel or e85 and there is no reason you cant make 1100rwhp and run fairly deep in the 8's. I would honestly prefer that you go ahead and use the f1-x instead unless you have a good deal on it. It replaced the f1-r and has a new drive/gear setup that reduces parasitic loss and has increased efficiency in general. Not many people running them yet because they have not been out to long. I am not sure if they are allowed in the x275 class and that may be why. I may run one in late 2013 if the mood strikes me.

Red seven-nine

Heck yeah i appreciate the advice!! I got a steal on this f1r thats why i went ahead and got it. Im wanting the car to mainly be a street car but also drive it to the track run deep into the 9s and drive it home on 18# or so. My main deal is i have the intercooler but theres not much room to fit it. Im not sure how efficent a non intercooled car on e85 or meth injection is on the street! And we have a small drag radial class building up here in west texas and imagine the X is not legal!! I really appreciate the input man

I8UR4RD

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ive got a buddy with a stroker 79 malibu. I will take a look at it next chance I get and see if there is room to fit the thing in there.





usually fabbing the intercooler is as easy as ordering one thats got the right dimensions to fit where the condensor would be on most cars. you may have to use a fan (not sure if pusher or puller) to keep the temps down. e85 and straight water will help.

usually you just need a couple of brackets to thread it too. its pretty much the easiest part of any procharger install to me.

here is mine.



glad to give you what little insight I can on a G body.

Red seven-nine

Heck yeah man i knew i couldn't be the first one thats tried this ahaha. I knew it's easy just had to get an clue how some mount them. looks like i may try to do your buddies idea!!! It's just kinda hard to get an idea when you havent seen an intercooler on one of these cars! Car sounds awesome btw!!! Which intercooler are yall running? I bet your setup flies.

ajrothm

You will definitely want to run an intercooler and meth... F1R blowers pump some heat when you spin em hard. An F1R won't get you anywhere near 1100.... Most are lucky to hit 1000rwhp and that's over spinning them. A lot depends on the rest of the combo as well.

A 8" crank pulley/4.25" blower pulley get you 69,120rpm impeller speed at 6800 rpms. That's JUST passed the max rated impeller speed. Most will go 4.00" pulley tho...

Mine is a bit of an albatross as it doesn't make near the power it "should" for the amount of boost psi we see.. Not sure if its due to my smallish cam or the stock LS6 intake/TB but (causing restriction thus raising boost psi)... But with the 8" crank/4.25" blower pullies, I see a max of 23 psi at 6800 rpms with no filter/pipe on the blower. This got me 901 rwhp. (We speculate a much larger cam will net a 50hp gain at best and lower boost psi).. I probably won't ever change it unless the engine comes out for something else.

I8UR4RD

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I have the ATI 1300hp FMIC.

Its an overpriced piece by itself but I got a deal because I got the whole kit. I will tell you how good it is when I test the boost before and after the intercooler itself. There have been some serious flow restrictions in a few and even a few boost leaks at the welds. But the same can be said for almost any radiator/intercooler manufacturer.


Right now the only thing that flies is money out of my pocket.

Jadedbird

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This is like what i plan on doing. Hoping to get into the 9s at 3900lbs

I8UR4RD

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Depends on how far he goes to make the setup efficient. I am not sure how badly the old cars eat up hp, but you may be right. There are alot of F1-R setups making 950-1000rwhp. But they are low compression and some are even running 80e's. You'd think with a trans that didnt eat up the power, an higher compression and something better than 91-93 octane you could get more than 1000 from that blower.



but then again this is not a ws6,z06, or SS we are talking about here so I cant necessarily vouch for the results on this build.



This is the headunit info though.

ProCharger F-1R
Base HP Range of NA Engine: 375-550 HP
Maximum Supercharged HP Rating: 1,300 HP
Maximum Airflow: 2,000 cfm
Maximum Boost: 38 psi
Inlet Diameter: 4 inches
Outlet Diameter: 3 inches
Maximum Impeller RPM: 68,000
Internal Step-up Ratio: 5.40:1
Self-Contained Oiling: Yes
Reverse Rotation Available: Yes






but id be willing to bet the vette is a little more efficient at laying it down.

Jadedbird

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Yeah. The drivetrain of a 93-02 fbody with a stock 10 bolt and a t56 transmission eats about 16% of the actual power. But its not ALL about numbers...

If 400 hp/tq car can plant it efficantly... It could keep up with a 800hp/tq car that spins thru 3rd gear

ajrothm

Oh yeah, there has definitely been SOME cars make 1000+ with an F1R on pump/meth, especially vettes since they seem to have the least parasitic drivetrain loss.... BUT, lots of the ones on the forums that have made 1000+ with an F1R struggled to get it there.... Hell Dallas Performance has built a good bunch of them, if you look through the threads on the Corvette Forum, it wasnt a cake walk for them... AND this was usually on 427"+ engines with all the killer stuff on them.

The highest I found was Mr Big's C6, it went through several stages and eventually made 1070 rwhp, that was with a 427, Cogged F1R, $3k sheetmetal intake and a slew of other goodies from DP.... That car rolled the F out but.... It took a LOT of work and a LOT of money..

Just slapping an F1R on a 6.0l and expecting 1000+ and you will be sorely disappointed...despite what the spec sheet says or what they "should" make on paper... Not to mention the variance between dynos/techniques etc etc...

My goal wasnt 1000hp when I built it, I wanted a reliable/repeatable 900 that drove close to stock... But with a cam swap, intake swap, pulley swap and race gas(ie. a bunch more timing) I could MAYBE hit 1000rwhp on a good day but....not likely... and no reason really for me to try it.


I think for the OP, a well built 6.0, spinning a F1R to its max or slightly above, with all areas maximized, I could see an honest 850 rwhp thru an 80E/locked converter and maybe 900rwhp set on kill (race fuel)... Could it make more? SURE...is it probable? maybe not.... Either way, 900rwhp is enough to put a 3200# G Body in the 8.80-9.00 range in a good working chasis... Should be enough to make him happy...

I8UR4RD

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Yeah itll have eights in it no doubt. The hp wont matter at that point. Its going to be whether he can get it to the ground or not.


Just for reference later on. Check this out. I was mortified.

Jadedbird

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nice t/a

Red seven-nine

I really appreciate it guys!!! All Im hoping for is a nice low 10 second high 9 second car. If i can turn it up and go some high 8's ill be just fine with that haha. Not trying to set the world on fire just something fun! I figured i should be putting down somewhere in the 600's on 8 pounds... well thats what im hoping for

jridenour31

I don't get the video of the t/a. The car had a **** tune and they can't do simple multiplication.

ajrothm

LOL!! That's my luck right there...put all this killer stuff in it and make sub par numbers.... That TA is gorgeous though and in his defense, it was an auto tranny and I bet they didn't lock the converter, depending on the tranny type that's a major killer..

For comparison, my 71' ONLY dynos 460rwhp...thru a T400, 10" converter and a heavy IRS.. My engine made 657hp on two different engine dynos(662 on one, 657 on the other).. Even with the shitty 460 rwhp, the car still runs 126-128 mph at 3700lbs in good air.. Do the math on that! LOL..

The OPs car will run 9s with a plug wire off...
Key will be the converter and the chassis.. Gonna need a good flash but not slip too much up top.

Jadedbird

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jeez.. nothing like loosing 202hp thru the suspension and tranny

Bob@BruteSpeed

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Give me your e-mail address and I'll e-mail you ProCharger installation instructions, which will help you to see where things will go. Bob

I8UR4RD

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whats not to get? he has an 18-20k dollar motor with a blower on it and made what a cammed ls1 makes all day. That is laughable to me. In any f body it would have made 540-550 or more. The drivetrain is slaughtering the power.

James@ShorTuning

I had a 436 rhs w/lsx-ls7 heads done by Brian Tooley on my dyno dynamics and actually had trouble hooking it on my machine. It spun to 835rwhp with ~76k impeller speed and built 19psi on this particular engine. Had pump gas and alot of methanol at that point. Race fuel alone would have allowed a bit more aggressiveness on timing and probably could have squeezed a little more out if it. You guys are right about the heat... It took a ton of methanol to keep temps under 140*.