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Old 05-17-2015, 11:54 AM
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Default Tuning with 110 race gas (9.85@138)

I'm tuning a buddies 6.0 on 110.
I'm being conservative as we are just getting started.
12 psi, 11.5:1 and 16 deg timing.
Just flat across the board after about 4 psi.

Owner wants to up the boost. I want to optimize 12 psi first.
Mid 10's @ 130 with soft leave.
3800lb Chevelle.

Just looking for advice on where the limits are. SBE and I don't want to hurt it.

Thanks

Ron

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what year motor? that itself will determine what limits are


i just finished up a ls3 on pump gas...16psi and with 8* it made 744 on a mustang dyno
on 13* timing it made 806 on mustang dyno

be smart and use the IAT retard in your favor and you can have a setup last on pump gas
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It's an 04 with the better rods.
Not tuning it for pump.
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limits will be similar, make sure to run a colder plug and be smart with timing. your error window is tiny

not all 04s had strong rods
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Ok.
I think he has TR6 in it. Not sure.
I'll get a colder plug in there.

So the 110 octane fuel just not much good?

I verified the rods. But I didn't build the car.
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get those tr6 the **** out of there
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What he said ^. You're asking for trouble running those plugs in there. Br7ef at minimum bud I'd step up to a 8 heat range. Are you just putting the gas in and not tuning? Is that gas leaded/unleaded, oxygenated, etc?
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Fuel is Sonoco 110.
I did the street tuning on pump gas. But retuned the street with the 110.
Agree on the plugs.
Knock sensors are active and functioning. Not that I'm counting on them to save anything.

I'm concerned the AEM WB sensor might not last long with the leaded fuel. But it seems to be fine.

Tuning with HPT.

Ron
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6's are fine at that level. I run car's into low 9's on them.

You can probably do 18 degree's at 12 psi and I'd run 16 degree's at 16psi.

16 psi will hit his ET goal.
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I run same engine in my truck. It's been mid 9's for years at 4850 lbs. Runs 9.90's~10.0's on 91 oct/meth inj and after that I mix in 110~114 oct. 16~17 deg timing and TR6 plugs. I run TR6's in nova as well.
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Thanks Jarrett
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I kind of mirrored Stock48's tune, I would say it proved itself, lol
I did run 22 on a couple LS engines I had on the dyno, pretty much let the plugs dictate where it was-on the street I started using #7 plugs, didn't see any diff over the #6's, like the lower timing just tried to add some safety
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Originally Posted by stock48
I run same engine in my truck. It's been mid 9's for years at 4850 lbs. Runs 9.90's~10.0's on 91 oct/meth inj and after that I mix in 110~114 oct. 16~17 deg timing and TR6 plugs. I run TR6's in nova as well.
Jarrett is there a specific boost # when you transition to the 110-114 mix?
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Read the plugs.
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11.5cr is high for use of a tr6

If you read the plugs you won't be using them

Br7Ef to start off with......listening to others can get you in a situation that may turn ugly

Tune off plugs and you'll be fine
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I’d go straight to the boost he wants to run at something overly safe timing wise… (8-10*) Dial in the fuel and up timing a degree at a time watching plugs/mph as everyone suggested.

If a hotter plug gives a better idle and no issues in boost, why not… I just don’t see how the heat mark on the strap of Tr6 wouldn’t indicate it was too hot of a plug at the timing and boost Stock48 runs. Jarrett, do you have any pictures of a TR6 plug strap after a pass on either car?

On my E85 6.0 at 13* of timing and 20-21lbs the br7’s ground strap heat line is a little past half way point. Everything I’ve read about plug choice says never use projected tip plugs with boost. And halfway down the ground strap is about where you want a “safe” boosted plug heat wise. My 5.3 at 25-26lbs and 17* of timing, the mark on the strap was closer to the base/90* turn on a #7 plug strap. That tune lasted about 8 passes before spitting out a HG. (not saying it was the plugs fault, who knows)
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Jarret doesn't tune off plugs....he's more of a hope and pray kind of guy...
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mine liked 18* at 16 psi on 110 octane on a chassis dyno, and kept picking up power as i added, but I keep it down at 16* @ 16psi for safety sake. Heat is ~ half way fr tip to the bend in the strap of an NGK 5671a-8...
11.8: 1 a/f
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Hey 3 pedals, haven't heard from you in awhile.
How's the car?

Thanks for the info.

Sounds like I'm in the ball park with my tuning here. I'll continue to sneak up on it even though the owner wants his nine right now!

Ron
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Ya I think your in the ball park.
Mine is coming slowly, Ran great blowthrough, now the transition to efi is a big learning step for me, and I'm busy with a 2 yr old and a new house build at the same time!


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