Forced Induction Superchargers | Turbochargers | Intercoolers

Finally got track times : (

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 06-03-2015, 02:14 PM
  #1  
10 Second Club
Thread Starter
iTrader: (2)
 
LT1PWRD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Orange Co. New York
Posts: 441
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default Finally got track times : (

11.9s @112 3740 race wt.
3.55s Yank 3400 multi disc. 30"DRs
leavin off T.brake on 9psi
Hitting about 14psi down track 12*
On3 76 80lb injectors 044 pump
4" DP 2" hotside , 12x3x14
799 heads, btr 660 kit,
tick turbo cam
217/228 637/623 114+4
I've confirmed the boost controller psi and accuracy. I know its heavy but it Just seems like it should have more in it. was having trouble shifting manually because i didn't have the programmer with me.
what do you guys think?

Last edited by LT1PWRD; 06-03-2015 at 09:24 PM.
Old 06-03-2015, 02:54 PM
  #2  
TECH Addict
iTrader: (1)
 
3 window's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 2,051
Received 185 Likes on 135 Posts
Default

More? It should have WAY more! 112 trap speed is about 20 short of what it should be. Is the trans okay? Not slipping? What converter and gear is in the car?
Old 06-03-2015, 03:09 PM
  #3  
10 Second Club
Thread Starter
iTrader: (2)
 
LT1PWRD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Orange Co. New York
Posts: 441
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by 3 window
More? It should have WAY more! 112 trap speed is about 20 short of what it should be. Is the trans okay? Not slipping? What converter and gear is in the car?
3.55s 30" DRs
Yank 3400 billet multi disc

Trans is fine, but the operator(me) kept trying to man shift it but it wasn't happening. And that was screwing up shift timing. Most times it would not hit 3rd til i let out a little but by then it was too late. Ran outta track tim to try (remember ) just doing a damn foot brake and let it shift itself.
Old 06-03-2015, 03:23 PM
  #4  
TECH Addict
iTrader: (1)
 
3 window's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 2,051
Received 185 Likes on 135 Posts
Default

The 11.9 at 112 is right on for a typical n/a setup. Seems your down about 200 hp. 3750 is hefty but not that heavy to slow you down that much. Fuel flow? Any idea? Do you have a manual boost gauge or are you relying on electronics? What rpm are you shifting at? To be down on power that much something is way off. Check for full throttle?
Old 06-03-2015, 03:34 PM
  #5  
Tire Smoking Tranny Blowing Director
iTrader: (2)
 
Cool28's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Barto PA
Posts: 2,130
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

id say something is really wrong there
Old 06-03-2015, 03:53 PM
  #6  
10 Second Club
iTrader: (22)
 
SPRAYED 01's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Northwest side of Chicago
Posts: 3,677
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts

Default

Why in the lords name are you running a 30inch tire? A 28 would be the ticket.

What kind of trans? If 4l60 or 80 just put it in d3 and let it shift by itself, dont do anything.

Timing is low but **** 112mph is like you were letting of half way down the track.

There is more to this story, a lot more.
Old 06-03-2015, 03:55 PM
  #7  
TECH Enthusiast
iTrader: (59)
 
edwardzracing's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Layton, UT
Posts: 548
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Any enemies? Someone had to have yanked a spark plug or two without you knowing. Do you have any data logs of the run? Sounds like we have some work to do.
Old 06-03-2015, 04:31 PM
  #8  
9 Second Club
iTrader: (10)
 
willizm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Joliet,IL and Las Vegas 50/50
Posts: 1,230
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts

Default

Yeah there is something seriously wrong. 112mph is what bolt on ls1's run.
Old 06-03-2015, 07:12 PM
  #9  
10 Second Club
Thread Starter
iTrader: (2)
 
LT1PWRD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Orange Co. New York
Posts: 441
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by 3 window
The 11.9 at 112 is right on for a typical n/a setup. Seems your down about 200 hp. 3750 is hefty but not that heavy to slow you down that much. Fuel flow? Any idea? Do you have a manual boost gauge or are you relying on electronics? What rpm are you shifting at? To be down on power that much something is way off. Check for full throttle?
i have an ebc,i varified its operation. Was trying to shift at 6200. I got wot from in car
Old 06-03-2015, 07:24 PM
  #10  
10 Second Club
Thread Starter
iTrader: (2)
 
LT1PWRD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Orange Co. New York
Posts: 441
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by SPRAYED 01
Why in the lords name are you running a 30inch tire? A 28 would be the ticket.

What kind of trans? If 4l60 or 80 just put it in d3 and let it shift by itself, dont do anything.

Timing is low but **** 112mph is like you were letting of half way down the track.

There is more to this story, a lot more.
I went with a 30 because of the 3.55s, instead of most guys using a 2.73-3.08 and a shorter tire. I figured more tire equals bigger footprint and drops the 3.55 anyway.
4L80e
Old 06-03-2015, 07:25 PM
  #11  
10 Second Club
Thread Starter
iTrader: (2)
 
LT1PWRD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Orange Co. New York
Posts: 441
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by edwardzracing
Any enemies? Someone had to have yanked a spark plug or two without you knowing. Do you have any data logs of the run? Sounds like we have some work to do.
Haha, none that im aware of.
No datalog capabilities unfortunately.....
Old 06-03-2015, 07:36 PM
  #12  
10 Second Club
Thread Starter
iTrader: (2)
 
LT1PWRD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Orange Co. New York
Posts: 441
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

So i just got back from some test hits. Did a bunch in D3 and manually, same ****. This was my frustrating fight on every pass. Soon as i figured out to let off a little to get a 2-3,it got faster. Driving around and up to 80%ish throttle it will auto or man shift. So until i get this figured out this is my biggest time killer. I tried making adjustments to max rpm shift but to no avail, no wot 2-3. It will wot 1-2 no problem.
Old 06-03-2015, 08:43 PM
  #13  
TECH Addict
iTrader: (1)
 
3 window's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 2,051
Received 185 Likes on 135 Posts
Default

Verify timing and TDC with a timing light?
Old 06-03-2015, 10:41 PM
  #14  
10 Second Club
iTrader: (22)
 
SPRAYED 01's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Northwest side of Chicago
Posts: 3,677
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts

Default

Can you email or post up an hptuners file of your tune. You most likely need to adjust the shift mph. It looks at mph and rpm to command a shift. What you do to start is see what mph you are at in 2nd gear at the rpm you want to shift at. Then you lower the shift mph for 2-3 shift by 3-5mph.

So lets say you want to shift at 6000rpm, hold it in 2nd gear until you are at 6k rpm write down or save that log file.
Old 06-03-2015, 10:42 PM
  #15  
10 Second Club
iTrader: (22)
 
SPRAYED 01's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Northwest side of Chicago
Posts: 3,677
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts

Default

Also you need to verify you have the correct tire size and gear ratio in the tune. That will throw things off like crazy.
Old 06-04-2015, 06:12 AM
  #16  
10 Second Club
Thread Starter
iTrader: (2)
 
LT1PWRD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Orange Co. New York
Posts: 441
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by SPRAYED 01
Can you email or post up an hptuners file of your tune. You most likely need to adjust the shift mph. It looks at mph and rpm to command a shift. What you do to start is see what mph you are at in 2nd gear at the rpm you want to shift at. Then you lower the shift mph for 2-3 shift by 3-5mph.

So lets say you want to shift at 6000rpm, hold it in 2nd gear until you are at 6k rpm write down or save that log file.
Unfortunately, i can't log ****! I'm running an MSD Atomic tcu and it doesn't have logging capabilities. I'm starting to realize an expensive lesson on how important data logging is.....
Old 06-04-2015, 06:16 AM
  #17  
10 Second Club
Thread Starter
iTrader: (2)
 
LT1PWRD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Orange Co. New York
Posts: 441
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by SPRAYED 01
Also you need to verify you have the correct tire size and gear ratio in the tune. That will throw things off like crazy.
Your right,I actually had that problem and changed it. Tire size was 26 instead of 30! I didn't have the controller with me to make any changes that day and i forgot to change it when i put the Drag Radials on..
car is still not right tho...
it says after wot tps threshold (lets say 98%) it will make shifts based on rpm. So i adjust it to 6000 and then 5600 rpm and still,no 2-3 shift auto on manual unless i let off a hair on the throttle. What am i doing wrong?

Last edited by LT1PWRD; 06-04-2015 at 06:24 AM.
Old 06-04-2015, 06:55 AM
  #18  
FormerVendor
iTrader: (3)
 
Sales@Tick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Mount Airy, NC
Posts: 7,480
Likes: 0
Received 15 Likes on 10 Posts
Default

Sounds purely trans/tune related.

Any data log/tune file you can share?
Old 06-04-2015, 07:27 AM
  #19  
10 Second Club
Thread Starter
iTrader: (2)
 
LT1PWRD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Orange Co. New York
Posts: 441
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Martin@Tick
Sounds purely trans/tune related.

Any data log/tune file you can share?
Im thinking so too. I can't make any power/speed judgments if it won't shift properly. Unfortunately, MSD tcu or ecu for that matter has no data logging capabilities.
wish I woulda realized how important that was before....

i could buy a $1500 data logging Racepak dash tho...
Old 06-04-2015, 09:01 AM
  #20  
Tire Smoking Tranny Blowing Director
iTrader: (2)
 
Cool28's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Barto PA
Posts: 2,130
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

I had a th400 that wouldn't shift unless I let up on the gas. Trans went soon after. Id check your trans fluid make sure it doesn't smell or look burnt.


Quick Reply: Finally got track times : (



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:13 AM.