A2W Setups - Keeping tank cold
07-13-2015, 10:45 PM
#22
What's so funny? ETS sells garret cores and ets cores. They believe their ets cores flow more air through for better radiator cooling. The garret cores are still ets intercooler.
You made an assumption. At any rate, I still have yet to see, regardless of core an appropriately sized a2a cool as well as an appropriately sized a2W. You say differently, What's your experience that leads you down that path?
I shared mine. Share yours. That's what makes a internet car forum great. Sharing of ideas. Not sharing of LMFAO because someone questioned my internet fact.
You made an assumption. At any rate, I still have yet to see, regardless of core an appropriately sized a2a cool as well as an appropriately sized a2W. You say differently, What's your experience that leads you down that path?
I shared mine. Share yours. That's what makes a internet car forum great. Sharing of ideas. Not sharing of LMFAO because someone questioned my internet fact.
07-13-2015, 11:05 PM
#25
Alright good friend. I'll show him this thread so he can confirm.
This car isn't ******* around it is making power
Old intercooler... the straight through junk just like you where using 4" thick
75 degree day
Beginning
End..
Now here we have the same car... But with a Garrett core added over the winter....
This is more boost, longer pull, and warmer day
83* day
Here is before hit
Here it gets about to ambient during pull
And finally max..
This car isn't ******* around it is making power
Old intercooler... the straight through junk just like you where using 4" thick
75 degree day
Beginning
End..
Now here we have the same car... But with a Garrett core added over the winter....
This is more boost, longer pull, and warmer day
83* day
Here is before hit
Here it gets about to ambient during pull
And finally max..
07-14-2015, 07:07 AM
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What does chiseled sell for cores? Pretty sure they use garretts. My buddys car was seeing near 170 end of pull on 23 psi.
Thats the same as my small treadstone on my old setup, i saw 175 on 24 psi end of 1/4 mile.
Now we both run a2w and see around 80-90 deg max lol
I run a2w on street just fine no heat exchanger. Water tank gets up to around 110 deg or so on hot day. If car stops and sits in sun, interior gets hot and may heat tank to 120 ish but after alittle driving with pump on it comes back down to 100's. Iat stays in mid high 90's for most part. Cant really do more than a few sec pull on street anyway so i see barely 3-4 deg rise. 100 iat is not hot for over 20 psi
Thats the same as my small treadstone on my old setup, i saw 175 on 24 psi end of 1/4 mile.
Now we both run a2w and see around 80-90 deg max lol
I run a2w on street just fine no heat exchanger. Water tank gets up to around 110 deg or so on hot day. If car stops and sits in sun, interior gets hot and may heat tank to 120 ish but after alittle driving with pump on it comes back down to 100's. Iat stays in mid high 90's for most part. Cant really do more than a few sec pull on street anyway so i see barely 3-4 deg rise. 100 iat is not hot for over 20 psi
07-14-2015, 07:14 AM
#29
Chiseled has a Garrett core unit and a Bell core unit. I've heard of 170-180's out of the Bell one. My Garrett core is the same as what Chiseled uses, but I fabbed up my own tanks. I bet your buddy had their Bell unit if he was seeing temps like that... or he wasn't giving it any air flow.
07-14-2015, 07:17 AM
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Chiseled has a Garrett core unit and a Bell core unit. I've heard of 170-180's out of the Bell one. My Garrett core is the same as what Chiseled uses, but I fabbed up my own tanks. I bet your buddy had their Bell unit if he was seeing temps like that... or he wasn't giving it any air flow.
I always thought bell was best you could buy. For the price they should be
07-14-2015, 08:31 AM
#33
I do appreciate your data though - But back to the original statement from Rotary "an A2A is better on the street"
When racing in "Mexico" it's different than a single pull on the track. The A2A will begin to heat soak and you have no way to cool it off other than stop driving for a bit.
Also, with a Garrett core if your radiator / fan set up is not on point you will run hot. Way hotter than normal.
On the street, A2W, even with no ice you will see better IAT's than you would with an A2A at the track on a single pass.
Then, even better, at the track, you will be below ambient if appropriately sized and iced.
A2W superior to A2A in every single way except for convenience of routing and weight. I don't know how you can argue any other way.
07-14-2015, 08:43 AM
#34
I bought it used and was told it was a garrett, but looking through the tanks after pulling it off last winter I came to the conclusion that it was just your average Chinese core IC.
I have not noticed any difference in cooling capabilities putting this giant, dense intercooler in front of my radiator.
I have done pull after pull after pull with one minute in between each pull and each time the IAT comes back down to within 2 degrees of where it started before the first pull.
Ice in an A2W is obviously going to have better cooling capabilities than an A2A, but how long does that ice actually last? I never have to refill an ice tank...
Garrett core is awesome but the reason why ETS uses their cores is the Garrett core stops all flow to the radiator.
I do appreciate your data though - But back to the original statement from Rotary "an A2A is better on the street"
When racing in "Mexico" it's different than a single pull on the track. The A2A will begin to heat soak and you have no way to cool it off other than stop driving for a bit.
Also, with a Garrett core if your radiator / fan set up is not on point you will run hot. Way hotter than normal.
On the street, A2W, even with no ice you will see better IAT's than you would with an A2A at the track on a single pass.
Then, even better, at the track, you will be below ambient if appropriately sized and iced.
A2W superior to A2A in every single way except for convenience of routing and weight. I don't know how you can argue any other way.
I do appreciate your data though - But back to the original statement from Rotary "an A2A is better on the street"
When racing in "Mexico" it's different than a single pull on the track. The A2A will begin to heat soak and you have no way to cool it off other than stop driving for a bit.
Also, with a Garrett core if your radiator / fan set up is not on point you will run hot. Way hotter than normal.
On the street, A2W, even with no ice you will see better IAT's than you would with an A2A at the track on a single pass.
Then, even better, at the track, you will be below ambient if appropriately sized and iced.
A2W superior to A2A in every single way except for convenience of routing and weight. I don't know how you can argue any other way.
I have done pull after pull after pull with one minute in between each pull and each time the IAT comes back down to within 2 degrees of where it started before the first pull.
Ice in an A2W is obviously going to have better cooling capabilities than an A2A, but how long does that ice actually last? I never have to refill an ice tank...
07-14-2015, 09:26 AM
#35
Lolz. He is dense wasted time as I figured
Recharge time on a good a2a core is lolz
It will be back ready to roll I'm seconds. I am around equipment that has good cores and they will hold 20*/over ambient indefinitely. At 40lbs of boost lol
No one is saying a a2w won't work well on the street, it does if setup properly, mine does.
But you won't touch a good a2a system rolling on the street when in terms it comes to simplicity, weight, and effectiveness. /story
Recharge time on a good a2a core is lolz
It will be back ready to roll I'm seconds. I am around equipment that has good cores and they will hold 20*/over ambient indefinitely. At 40lbs of boost lol
No one is saying a a2w won't work well on the street, it does if setup properly, mine does.
But you won't touch a good a2a system rolling on the street when in terms it comes to simplicity, weight, and effectiveness. /story
07-14-2015, 10:43 AM
#38
Lolz. He is dense wasted time as I figured
Recharge time on a good a2a core is lolz
It will be back ready to roll I'm seconds. I am around equipment that has good cores and they will hold 20*/over ambient indefinitely. At 40lbs of boost lol
No one is saying a a2w won't work well on the street, it does if setup properly, mine does.
But you won't touch a good a2a system rolling on the street when in terms it comes to simplicity, weight, and effectiveness. /story
Recharge time on a good a2a core is lolz
It will be back ready to roll I'm seconds. I am around equipment that has good cores and they will hold 20*/over ambient indefinitely. At 40lbs of boost lol
No one is saying a a2w won't work well on the street, it does if setup properly, mine does.
But you won't touch a good a2a system rolling on the street when in terms it comes to simplicity, weight, and effectiveness. /story
I hear you on simplicity and weight. Effectiveness though? Still call BS just like I did to your very first post. a2w far more "effective" than a2a if your measurement of effectiveness is IAT's.
An a2a can't touch the IAT's of an a2w. You should know this. You have an a2w.
If this logic makes me dense that so f*cking be it.
07-14-2015, 11:08 AM
#39
Lmfao. Look at the data I just shared. He holds excellent iats.
And could hold those if he did it back to back to back to back within 30 seconds of each other.
I can hold similar temps but I can't do 5 full power 160mph hits in 2 minutes and not have them rise because of heat in the water
Sure I hold a 20* rise on each hit but it starts higher each time u less I let the water come back down to temp over a couple minutes
I shared true and hard data.
Your turn
Please provide a log all together of multiple full hits with in seconds of one another and show me you can hold the same temp over and over and over and no time to cool the water
And could hold those if he did it back to back to back to back within 30 seconds of each other.
I can hold similar temps but I can't do 5 full power 160mph hits in 2 minutes and not have them rise because of heat in the water
Sure I hold a 20* rise on each hit but it starts higher each time u less I let the water come back down to temp over a couple minutes
I shared true and hard data.
Your turn
Please provide a log all together of multiple full hits with in seconds of one another and show me you can hold the same temp over and over and over and no time to cool the water
