JakeFusion

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Fuel system will be setup for E85 with the 80s, PTFE lines, etc. I just don't have E85 around here. Maybe one day?

Btw, the FMIC is much better, but I don't want to hack up the front to run it. Maybe I need to look more into it. I know with the big trans cooler and big radiator I don't have a lot of space as is.

stage274

I am in the same thought pattern as you. I know people say the 4.5 can't handle it. However, I have not seen anybody to max them out yet. 800 rwhp, is fine for me if that is the case.

I actually have 3.5 on my car now. I been looking for 4.5s. But on my p1sc, on cool nights, 60 degree nights, my air temps are really low. Around 70 degrees cruising, and only jump to 85 or 90 after a hard run. That was on 7 pound of boost. I also run nitrous before the coolers, this helps a lot. To keep the charge temps down, when racing. I hardly ever see over 100 degrees at the engine with the p1sc-1 set up.

I know that will change when I bolt the f1 on. But like you, I don't want to rip apart the front end on my low mile car. The truth is, 2.5 pipes can handle more mass flow than a single 3 inch pipe. To match the flow capabilities of the two pipes, you really need a single 4 inch pipe. The cross section area is much more on the two 2.5 half inch pipes, than a single 3 inch pipe.
Procharger really engineered a good system.

I was thinking of running two air to water coolers in the same place as the stock coolers are now also. That seems like a cheap option for me.
Only thing is, I need to plum it in, and wire it. But two 800 cfm air to water cooler would fit in that spot, and you could have the piping the same, the only thing, is to weld a braket to the air to water coolers.

It looks like I will go this route.

My goal with my car, was I want it to sound bone stock, drive stock, get 20 miles to a gallon, and then put down close to 800 rw.

The motor I built achieved most of this for me so far. It sounds stock, drives stock, I get killer gas milage.

Only bad thing, is I wish I ran more compression it's 9.0. Motor dynoed on an engine dyno, close to 460 hp, and close to 500 ftlbs. That was with a rich non jetted 750 carb and 32 degrees of total timming. I am sure if we dialed it in, I would see 480 hp on 9.0 compression, stock ls6 cam also.
The heads are stock 317s also. I am really impressed with the torque. My train of thought is, run more boost, or make it up with nitrous.

I see people making 550 hp on their 383 builds, but running huge cams, 11.1s and CnC heads. I have 500 bucks in my heads, thats with the manely race valves. I forgot, I did get a 200 dollar bowl blend, I told them no, but they said, it's only 200 bucks. I said fine.

I love how quiet the car sounds now.
Btw, I have stock exhaust, but have custom gmmg headers, with gmmg y pipe. The headers and y pipe, and high flow cats came from a 470 hp zl1 stage 2 camaro. The guy sold me his engine, and he went back to gmmg to install the stage 3 c5r 427. I sold the engine but kept the exsaust, and it cost me nothing for it. I think that is a neat story. Everything about my build was budget orientated.

The motor I sold from my low mile car paid for 60 percent of the 383 build.

I know the stock exhaust will kill my power, maybe 60 ponies or so, but was thinking of running a electric cut out at the point it transitions to a single exsaust, after the cats. To sound stock, untill we lock something in. Stock sounding is a must for me.. Otherwise you scare off the import guys, sounding like john force. Everybody and their mother wants to sit down with my car, but won't touch my friends car who is really stock, cause of the exsaust and a tire. It's funny really.

Cool28

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Just wonder why not go with a f1a right off the bat and low boost it? Think it's like 500 more if buying new. Then would be set on the blower when you go to the 400+ motor.

That's what I did bought a f1a for the ls1 now got a lq4 408 it'll be feeding.

JakeFusion

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F1A... can that be pullied down? Is the 5" close to 9-10psi?

Bob@BruteSpeed

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The largest pulley is a 5.25 which will typically get you down to 9 to 10 psi of boost. Bob

Cool28

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I had 5.25 I think on mine think it made 8 or so at 6000rpm. It's not in it range but worked fine. Be cooler Temps I'd think as well since not pushing it near as hard

427zm

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Large pulley and plenty of meth in the F1A should make it live for awhile.

01boydws6

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I have upgraded to an f1a this last season over the d1 because I got a good deal. I have it pullied for 9lbs. I gained 15hp and lost 30ft/lbs. The set up is defenenatley more peaky power but once I am able to spin it harder I'm going to really enjoy it! people say the f1a is to big for low boost, I would agree with that if all you ever plan to run it at is 9lbs but honestly who only plans to run 9psi and leave it alone lol

JakeFusion

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That's a good idea.

If I could just get E85...

Rise of the Phoenix

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There are companies that will ship it to you.

JakeFusion

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Well, at NAS they have E85 on base. I was thinking of getting a 55 gallon drum and just going down there. 12 PSI on my motor... That'd be over 700rwhp.

Blown06

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That looks like a fun event. Where is it at and where can I find info on dates? Is it a rolling half mile event?

427zm

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Just outside of Dallas. Texas Speed syndicate has the info, or Dallasracing.net. It's just short of a 1/2 mile, it's a rolling 60mph start, and you run approx 1500ft. Rule of thumb is your trap speed is 10mph faster than you'd be in the 1/4.

stage274

Holy cow.. I just watched that vid.. Why are the ls3s living? Did the ring lands change? You are lucky to see a ls1 live on 11 lbs.

Holycow.. Pretty impressive..

stage274

What size motor you running? What is the set up also. The power you are making on 9 lbs is nice. I am trying to gauge my set up. I am about to bolt my f1a on. I also have a 5 inch pulley, but I have an 8.65 cbr crank pulley, put my blowers rpm at 60k rpm at 6500 engine rpm.

I am not sure how much boost I will produce. I am think 15 lbs or so, maybe slightly more. I have stock 317s heads. From what I seen, people gain 400 rwhp from bolting on an f1a around that boost level.

What ever it is. I will be happy, cause I am already scared of the car.

JakeFusion

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You guys are doing BR7EF spark plugs on these motors? Or going to the Denso IT22s?

Bob@BruteSpeed

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I've always used NGK TR6 pn# 4177. Bob

JakeFusion

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Really, Bob? Even at 700+rwhp? I would think 2-ranges colder than stock would be needed.

Bob@BruteSpeed

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Nope, they will just foul out easier. We used TR6's in my Camaro at 18 to 20 psi without ever having any problems. Bob

427zm

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The heads haven't been off of either car. Both run E85 full time, and dual nozzles for Meth. The rods in the LS3 are real strong and the crank in a dry sumo GS is out of the LS9. The week link are the Pistons and they seem to withstand serious abuse.