Heavy H.P.

I have a 4th Gen Camaro right now it has a stock bottom end LS1 in it with over a 100,000 miles on it. Never been freshened up. Plans are to go Turbo with the car. I have a kit for it already and I'm throwing a S480 on that. Now, I really wanted a bad *** motor or should I say something tough enough to take some boost. Enough boost to get the car in the 8's. Being realistic a bad *** motor isnt in the budget right now. I know I could throw this **** on that 5.7 and see what happens but If i were to go inside this motor what could I do to it that won't break the bank that could make it a little stronger? What would you do if you were me? I've heard suggestions of selling my motor and getting a L33 or something like that. Is it cheaper and does it make more sense to sell my motor and get my hands on something out the junk yard instead of cracking my motor open and replacing a couple of things? idk Again what would you do if you were me?

Bob@BruteSpeed

iTrader: (16)

I'd put good rods and pistons in the engine you have, but it's never as cheap as you think it's going to be. Bob

Heavy H.P.

Your right, nothing I've done so far has been what I expected.

323z

If it were me I would sell the ls1 to a N/A guy (if you wanted to go FI) and build up the L33 for boost over the winter.

Then you have a choice between a JY motor or buying a brand new bare block.
The BB idea might not be the most cost affective but what time and money is spent on a JY motor picking it up,checking for cracks, it's a crap shoot.
You could have money into a useless block.

only down side of the new BB is having to buy all the little parts.
Nickle and dime'd to death. But if you already have a ls1 you could just transfer all covers and censors.

lmt0705

iTrader: (7)

Boost is an addiction, your always going to want more so if you decide to throw some money at this don't cheap out on substandard parts, you'll regret it down the road. There are some really good deals from vendors on here for short blocks right now. Check out Thompson motorsports. By the time you put Pistons and rods in yours along with all the other stuff you'll be close to 2k. You can get a short block with a warentee for around 3k to the door

Heavy H.P.

Makes sense, sucks not having a ton of money to throw at this.

Good Point

lmt0705

iTrader: (7)

Credit cards build thousands of motors per year! Lol

Heavy H.P.

lol
So far I haven't used my credit card on one single part and I trying not too.
Trying

ragtopz28

iTrader: (57)

Those iron 4.8/5.3 are BA even on SBE. I have a friend that has a stone stock SBE 4.8 and it makes 1007 hp to the tire on an 88 turbo

Heavy H.P.

Damn completely stock?

ragtopz28

iTrader: (57)

Yep...sold him a L33 as a back up motor and he hasn't needed it yet

Bob@BruteSpeed

iTrader: (16)

It seldom is what anyone expects.

Here is a list of what ERL currently has in stock for built short blocks. I have prices on my website, in many cases a built shortblock doesn't cost much more than what you spend for parts and machine shop cost. Bob

Short Blocks:

M5 TURBO EXTREME 427ci Race Short block (~1,250HP)– Superdeck 6-Bolt Sleeve System –

9.7:1 CR – ERL/Wiseco Boost Pistons , Callies Ultra Billet I-Beam Rods, Callies Dragonslayer 4.000”Crank Total Seal Ring Pack- Heavy Duty Wrist Pins.

- 1pc LS5.3 core 58X LS7 Snout. Includes: coated bearings, ARP Mains, ½” Head Stud Kit Upgrade (Includes ½” ARP HSK), ERL Doweled Billet Main Caps.

- 1pc LS5.3 core 58X Includes: coated bearings, ARP Mains, ERL Doweled Billet Main Caps.

- 1pc LS2 core (430cid) 58X Includes: coated bearings, ARP Mains, ERL Doweled Billet Main Caps, Hydraulic Lifter Bushings, Armor plated Pistons w/ gas ports.

- 1pc LSA core (434cid) 58X Includes: coated bearings, ARP Mains, ½” Head Stud Kit Upgrade (Includes ½” ARP HSK), ERL Doweled Billet Main Caps, Solid Lifter Bushings. (6.100 rods)

- 1pc LS2 core 58X Includes: coated bearings, ARP Mains, ERL Doweled Billet Main Caps, Armor plated Pistons w/ gas ports.

- 1pc LS5.3 core 58X Includes: coated bearings, ARP Mains, ERL Doweled Billet Main Caps, Armor plated Pistons w/ gas ports.



M3 TURBO RACE 427ci Race Short block (~1,100HP)– Superdeck 4-Bolt Sleeve System –

9.7:1 CR – ERL/Wiseco Boost Pistons (lateral gas ports), Callies Ultra Billet I-Beam Rods, Callies Dragonslayer 4.000”Crank Total Seal Ring Pack - Heavy Duty Wrist Pins.

- 1pc LS5.3 core 58X LS7 Snout. Includes: coated bearings, ARP Mains, ½” Head Stud Kit Upgrade (Includes ½” ARP HSK), ERL Doweled Billet Main Caps.

- 1pc LS5.3 core 58X Includes: coated bearings, ARP Mains, ½” Head Stud Kit Upgrade (Includes ½” ARP HSK), ERL Doweled Billet Main Caps.

- 1pc LS5.3 core 24X Includes: coated bearings, ARP Mains, ERL Doweled Billet Main Caps, Armor plated Pistons w/ gas ports.



NEW! Z1 TURBO 365ci Street/Strip Short block (~950HP)– IRON BLOCK LQ9 –

- 1pc LSQ9 core 24X Includes: billet 24X reluctor wheel, ARP Mains, Wiseco 10.2:1 CR Pistons, Scat 3.622” Stroke Crank, H-Beam Compstar Rods and Upgraded Pins.



M1 TURBO 427ci Street/Strip Short block (~900HP)– Dry Sleeve System –

9.7:1 CR – Wiseco Pistons, Callies Compstar Rods, Compstar 4.000”Crank. Total Seal Ring Pack

- 1pc LS2 core 58X with coated bearings Upgrade, ARP Mains, ½” Head Stud Kit Upgrade (Includes ½” ARP HSK), ERL Doweled Billet Main Caps Upgrade, Hydraulic Bronze Lifter Bushings, Pinned Cam Bearings. (Road Race Set-Up)

- 1pc LS5.3 core 58X- ARP Mains



M2 N/A 427ci Street/Strip Short block (~850HP)– Dry Sleeve System –

11.5:1 CR – Wiseco Pistons, Callies Compstar Rods, Compstar 4.000”Crank. Total Seal Ring Pack

- 1pc LSA core 58X – ARP Mains

- 1pc LS3 core 58X - ARP Mains



M2 N/A 427ci ROAD RACE Short block (~850HP)– Dry Sleeve System –

11.5:1 CR – Wiseco Pistons (lateral gas ports), Callies Ultra Billet I-Beam Rods, Callies Dragonslayer 4.000”Crank LS7 Snout. Total Seal Ring Pack LS3 BLOCK CORE.

Also includes: Coated Main and Rod Bearings, Upgraded Wrist Pins, Pinned Cam Bearings, Dailey’s Dry Sump System, ERL dry sump block modification, ERL Doweled Billet Main Caps Upgrade, Hydraulic Bronze Lifter Bushings.



M7 N/A 454ci Street/Strip Short block (~750HP)– Dry Sleeve System –

11.9:1 CR – Wiseco Pistons, Callies Compstar Rods, Compstar 4.000”Crank. Total Seal Ring Pack

- 1pc LS2 core 58X - ARP Mains



V1 TURBO Street 408ci (~650HP) – Stock Sleeve Short Block

9.7:1 CR – Wiseco Pistons, Callies Compstar Rods, Compstar 4.000” Crank. ARP Main Studs*

- 1 pc LS2 core 58X

- 1 pc LS2 core 24X



V4 TURBO Street 416ci (~650HP) – Stock Sleeve Short Block

9.7:1 CR – Wiseco Pistons, Callies Compstar Rods, Compstar 4.000” Crank. ARP Main Studs*

- 1 pc LS3 core 58X



NEW! V3 TURBO Street 416ci (~650HP) – Stock Sleeve Short Block

10.5:1 CR – Wiseco Pistons, Callies Compstar Rods, Compstar 4.000” Crank. ARP Main Studs*

- 1 pc LS3 core 58X



V5 N/A 416ci Street (~650HP) – Stock Sleeve Short Block

11.5:1 CR – Wiseco Pistons, Callies Compstar Rods, Compstar 4.000” Crank. ARP Main Studs*

- 1 pc LS3 core 58X

- 1 pc LSA core 58X

- 1 pc LS3 core 24X



V2 N/A 408ci Street (~650HP) – Stock Sleeve Short Block

11.5:1 CR – Wiseco Pistons, Callies Compstar Rods, Compstar 4.000” Crank. ARP Main Studs*

- 2 pcs LS2 core 58X

- 1 pc LS2 core 24X



Sleeved Blocks: – READY FOR ASSEMBLY

Dry-Sleeved (up to 900HP) – Includes Sleeving, Decking, ARP mains, Align hone, Cam Bearings and Finished Cylinder hone (need pistons here)

- 1pc 4.155” Rough bore only - LS2 core **Hydraulic Bronze Lifter Bushings Upgrade

- 1pc 4.155” Rough bore only - LS2 core

- 1pc 4.125” Rough bore only – LS5.3 core



Superdeck 4 Bolt (1,150HP +) - Includes Sleeving, Decking, ARP mains, Align hone, Cam Bearings, ERL Solid Doweled Billet Main Caps and Finished Cylinder hone (need pistons here)

- 1pc 4.125” Rough Bore - LS2 core

- 1pc 4.125” Rough Bore - LS5.3 core with ½” Head Stud Upgrade (block drilled and tapped / includes ARP HSK)





Superdeck 6 Bolt (1,250HP +) - Includes Sleeving, Decking, ARP mains, Align hone, Cam Bearings, ERL Solid Doweled Billet Main Caps and Finished Cylinder hone (need pistons here)

- 1pc 4.125” Rough Bore - LS3 core

- 1pc 4.125” Rough Bore - LS7 core

- 1pc 4.155” Rough Bore - ½” HSK Upgrade, includes ARP Hardware LSA core

JoeNova

I'd sell the LS1. It'll cover the cost of a gen 4 bottom end 4.8 or 5.3 and you will have hundreds left over to cover the nickel and dime stuff.

I beat the **** out of my L33. It loves it.

Heavy H.P.

I'm going to take a look at some of that stuff Bob.
Too the both of you how much are LS1's going for these days?

JoeNova

I sold a 98 LS1 for around 2 grand a few months ago.

Heavy H.P.

Damn yea if I could get that much that would be real nice.