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Old 07-08-2008, 07:43 AM
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Default Which spark plugs for boosted e-85 car.

Im running a forged 8.6:1 347 with about 16psi through a tc78. Which plugs and what gap.

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Old 07-08-2008, 09:12 AM
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Tr6 at .032-.035
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^^ yeah thats what I suggested to you in pm's
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NO JUICE, I know you made that suggestion and i believe what you say. Its just the tuner is still saying to run like tr10s or what ever the coldest is. So i just made the post so i could show him what everyone else is saying.

Im not able to have andy tune it when ill be done with my new turbo and injector project so i have no choice.
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i run the tr6 plugs with e85
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Alex I have a set of TR7's and TR8's at the house, though I plan to use the TR8's when I change plugs this weekend.
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Originally Posted by hellbents10
Tr6 at .032-.035
that is kind of a big gap on a turbo car???
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Originally Posted by SPRAYED 01
NO JUICE, I know you made that suggestion and i believe what you say. Its just the tuner is still saying to run like tr10s or what ever the coldest is. So i just made the post so i could show him what everyone else is saying.

Im not able to have andy tune it when ill be done with my new turbo and injector project so i have no choice.
People I know use the tr10's........you need a cold plug with corn!
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When I was looking into using E-85 I was doing a bunch of reading and I was told that you need a much colder plug to use E85 because its more likely to cause preignition. They did recommend something like a TR10. That being sayed, I still planed on using TR8s.
On a side note, I will no longer be using E85 because my tuner recommended against it because of its inconstancy at the pump. I am in Chicago as well.
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how can E85 be more likely to preignite (deptination) when it has a higher octane rating then noremal gas??
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I dont remember the exact argument they had, but it seemed to be a valid one that was tried and tested.
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Originally Posted by Jimmy P
When I was looking into using E-85 I was doing a bunch of reading and I was told that you need a much colder plug to use E85 because its more likely to cause preignition. They did recommend something like a TR10. That being sayed, I still planed on using TR8s.
On a side note, I will no longer be using E85 because my tuner recommended against it because of its inconstancy at the pump. I am in Chicago as well.
I'd like to know where you read that information. E85 is 105 octane so tell me how it can possibly be more likely to detonate?
I've had the chance to work with and have my car tuned by the leader in E85 tuning. Andy from Dynotune was one of the first to bring E85 to the performance field. He also tuned all 7 cars that were in the dyno finals in SEMA last year. All 7 cars were 1200-1650 rwhp and these guys were running TR10's. I think they knew what they were doing. So tell me how a car making 500-600 requires 10's?
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Originally Posted by otherwhitemeat
People I know use the tr10's........you need a cold plug with corn!

Tell me why you need a cold plug with corn?
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Thats why my possible next tuner said to run a colder plug was becasue of pre-igntition. This makes no sence to me. Im going to have another talk with him and try and get more information on why he is advising on a way colder plug.
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Where would you get the E85 Alex, that Gas City on Clark by Irving Park?
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they must have it backwards!!! cause meth and eth.. is a very forgiving fuel... if you want to make goobs of power alky is needed.. but talk to someone who knows about fuel not just gas.. he just cant tune it!!!!! my set up is just amazing with e85.. would be better with Strait meth but cant drive on the street that way...
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PSJ,
If you do a google search for e-85 in chicago there are a bunch of listed of stations that sell it. I really not that hard to find. I might have to drive 3 miles out of my way to get it. But ill take any excuse possible to drive my car.
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Originally Posted by No Juice
I'd like to know where you read that information. E85 is 105 octane so tell me how it can possibly be more likely to detonate?
I've had the chance to work with and have my car tuned by the leader in E85 tuning. Andy from Dynotune was one of the first to bring E85 to the performance field. He also tuned all 7 cars that were in the dyno finals in SEMA last year. All 7 cars were 1200-1650 rwhp and these guys were running TR10's. I think they knew what they were doing. So tell me how a car making 500-600 requires 10's?
I just got in this conversation a few days ago......if your o2 sensor is not calibrated for corn then you want to run a very rich a/f 10.8-10.2....right in there.....if it does lean ....your motor could be done right there.....as it was for a friend of mine of the first pass down the track.....it has very bad pre-ignition properties, so you must keep the mix very fat....if the tuner knows what they are doing its no big deal.........and yes all corn turbo car should be running tr10s....cause the mix is cold and the plug has to work in a different opperating range.....again safer then sorry.
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I remember reading that E85 has a 105 ish rating, and is good at fighting off detonation. But it is more apt to have an issue with pre-ignition, which is a little different. Hence the colder plugs, and to make damn sure you don't have any hot-spots in the combustion chamber.
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This is very confusing. Im not sure i understand how it would be more likely to preignite than detonate. Also,i have heard that when running that cold of a plug idle quality and gas mileage goes down.


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