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Im working on a procharged street/strip build, looking for a fuel alternative. I only have 87 octane locally, planning to run meth but I want to bump the 87 up to 95+. I've been looking into boostane, if mixed strong enough it goes up to 116. Anybody else try this yet? They are a fairly new company. They also have a mobile app that helps you figure out how much to mix.






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According to the math, you would need roughly 1 quart to treat 15 gallons of 87 to make it 95 octane.

It looks like a case of 8 is ~$165 shipped, so $20 per quart roughly.
Can you afford spending $55 to fill your tank up? (87 at $2.50/gallon for 15 gallons + Boostane).
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Originally Posted by JoeNova
According to the math, you would need roughly 1 quart to treat 15 gallons of 87 to make it 95 octane.

It looks like a case of 8 is ~$165 shipped, so $20 per quart roughly.
Can you afford spending $55 to fill your tank up? (87 at $2.50/gallon for 15 gallons + Boostane).
Well what is another good option? Its extra insurance for $17 (if you get the 5 gallon pale) rather than only relying on meth and pump gas.
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can you get toluene? I hear its great as an octane booster, a local "tile" place near me sells it.
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I find it difficult to believe 1 quart of any substance would dramatically affect 15 gallons of fuel.

Nitro?
nope
Kryptonite?
nope

even if it did it's still bathtub chemistry and not predictable

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I'm gonna try it 😉
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Originally Posted by RixTrix
I find it difficult to believe 1 quart of any substance would dramatically affect 15 gallons of fuel.

Nitro?
nope
Kryptonite?
nope

even if it did it's still bathtub chemistry and not predictable
Most people think that to increase octane, you have to add an even higher octane fuel to your gasoline. So a 50/50 mix of 10 gallons of 93 and 10 gallons of 118 would only give you 105.5 octane. How can boosters give this much of a boost with half a gallon?

They're not fuels.

Look up MMT. It was originally used by refiners. In a concentration of 0.03125 g/U.S. gal (That's .1% of an ounce for 1 gallon of gas), it is able to raise octane a full point. There are a dozen other additives similar to this one, some of which are found in octane boosters.
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No MMT for me please.

"There appear to be three major targets for toxicity: the brain, the lungs, and the testes. At high doses, such as those found in some workplaces, manganese causes a severe, degenerative neurologic condition almost indistinguishable from Parkinson's disease."

http://www.psr.org/chapters/boston/h...ww.google.com/

Due to its toxicity I doubt you will find that stuff in any over the counter gas tank snake oil.

Its probably not a "more is better" deal either, the OP is looking for a 8 point gain!

MMT will also roach your Cat convertor and O2 sensor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methyl...se_tricarbonyl
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It was an example. MMT isn't used anymore as an octane booster. There are 3 or 4 legal replacements for it.

By the way, to come into contact with enough MMT to cause the negative side effects mentioned, you would have to come into contact quite a bit of it.
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OTC fuel additives suck because they dont tell you what is in the can, and the good stuff is not legal to distribute in the local auto parts store.

The OP wants an 8 point increase, you are going to seriously Eff up the good parts of a gas blend adding that much snake oil to it.

Octane is not the only consideration, latent heat, Specific gravity, and reed vapor pressure, are a couple of other prime considerations.

Here is some forgotten fuel technology, it comes from ancient 2 stroke karting tech, but it still applies (read in between the lines).

This was shamelessly stolen from macbobaust.com
The page has been removed but I saved a copy "for my files".
(I also notice that Wikipedia has limited its info on Propylene oxide, probably because it works too good)(note: I have never used that compound in a midget or a sprint car!)

1962 McCULLOCH KART RACING
modification info sheet

Fuel Data.

1. Boiling Point

A. Methanol 149 F
B. Propolene Oxide 80 F
C. Nitomethane 214 F

2. Nitromethane; Slow burning ( slower than methanol ).

Methanol; Slow burning; requires starting, lighting, and stabilizing
factions for best results.

3. Nitromethane is concidered a " thermalcharger" fuel. It's chemical
formula is CH3NO2, and it is approximately 50% oxygen by weight. In
burning, the NO2 group splits and the two oxygen atoms are released for
combustion.

4. Air / Fuel ratio - for combustible mixture - is narrower than for gasoline.

A. Methanol requires approximately twice the volume of gasoline.
B. Nitromethane requires approximately 1/3 again as much as methanol.

5, Cold plugs are definate requirements. Start with HO-3, and watch tips
carefully. Pre-ignition will come on fast if plug is too hot. Do not overlook
racing or side electrode plugs.

Racing fuels release more heat - thru power - than does gasoline. To avoid
pre-ignition, polish head ( internally ) to remove sharp edges, ridges, etc.

Acetone is excellent for cleaning oily plugs.

6. Ignition; Start with 25 degree's BTDC, But watch for detonation and pre-ignition.

A. Mavrick spark advance will advance firing point by six to eight degree's.
A1. If necessary slot laminations and move assembly to control maximum Mavrick advance.
A2. If detonation is present at low RPM, retard spark 2 to 3 degrees for low end operation.
Pick up maximum possible maverick advance - short of detonation - by retaing lamination position, or by advancing 2 to 3 degrees,
A3. If cutout switch is not used, set point spring minimum tension to bring mavrick spark at lower RPM range.

7. Mixing ; Nitro blends may be mixed and stored without deterioration. Moisture,
from condensation, if not excessive, will frequently improve performance.

A. Do not exceed 15% nitromethane for McCulloch engines, except at own risk.
Recommend starting with a 105 nitro mix, and work up.

8. Storing; Nitromethane blends are corrovise.
A. Carburetor and engine must be flushed after running, using gasolene base
fuel mixture. Run at least a quart through the engine.
B. Do not store nitro blends in metal containers. Glass or grock-type
containers must be used, as corrovise action will eat out metal
comtainers.

Page 2.

9. Handling; Use normal caution when handling nitromethane and methanol. They
are not explosive; Nitro burns slowly, with luminous flame.
Methanol burns with invisible flame.
A. For user protection
A1. Wear goggles (glass( when mixing fuel blends.
A2. If racing, flameproof clothing is recommended, ( With methanol you can be on fire and you won't know it until your clothing chars or it starts to hurt, By then it's too late !
Flameproof coveralls are the simplest answer.
A3. Generally, nitro and methanol are not harmful to the skin.
( Some, however, will be allergic to fuels.)

Propolene oxide does, and will harm (burn) the skin. Wear good,
solid non-absorbent gloves, of the gauntlet type when handling.

10. Compression Ratio;
A. Little is gained with fuel if stock compression is used.
B. Recommended ratio's are;
9-1 ..... 10-1 .... 11-1 ...... 12-1.
Do not exceed 12-1, except at risk of engine separation.

11. Exotic fuels have solvent action on seals and gaskets and most plastics.
Service life of such components will be considerably reduced and only answer
is to replace as neccessary.

12. Other fuel additives
A. Benzol - A high octane ( 108 approx. ) hot - burning petroleum product.
Although benzol will auto-ignite, it serves as a coolant when added to the
fuel mixture ( 10% by volume).

B. Ether - A highly questionable racing fuel. Although generally used as an
igniter, it serves best - if used - as a starter fraction.

C. Acetone - Used generally as an igniter to boost top and RPM and
acceleration. Has strong solvent action on plastics.
Acetone is also used as a blend stabilizer, plus a water tolerance
booster ( methanol blends, with 1% to 3% of distilled water added to
mixture).

13. Fuel Blends ( Sample base)
A. Mild blend
Methanol 70% ( main power base)
Benzol 10% ( coolant and extender)
Gasoline 10% (starter)
Castor Oil 10% ( lubricant)

B. Medium Blend
Methanol 70% ( main power base)
Acetone 5% ( igniter)
Gasoline 5% ( starter )
Benzol 10% ( coolant )
Castor Oil 10% ( lubricant)

C. Hot Blend ( can be very wild )
Methanol 55% ( main power base)
Nitro methane 15% ( power additive)
Acetone 5% ( igniter)
Gasoline 5% ( starter)
Benzol 10% ( coolant )
Castor Oil 10% ( lubricant )

Page 3

14. Other fuel formulas

The following are fuel formulas which have been in existence for years, in
fact, some date back to pre-WW1.

A. Methanol 75% castor oil - 10:1
Ether 10%
Water 15%

B, Acetone 35% Castor oil - 10:1
Methanol 35%
Ethyl Acetate 5%
Gasoline 35%

C. Ethyl-methyl
Ketone 35%
Methanol 25%
Ethyl acetate 5%
Gasoline 35%
Castor oil 10-1

D. Diethyl Ketone 35% castor oil - 10-1
Methanol 25%
Ethyl Acetate 5%
Gasoline 35%

E. Methanol 99% castor oil - 10-1
Benzol 0.75%
Nitrone Ether .25%

F. Methanol 86.6%
Benzol 5%
Acetone 8%
Sulfuric Ether .4%
Castor Oil - 10-1 ratio

15. Carburetor and modification.

A. The high latent heat of methanol, plus the very low air/fuel ratio
( 4-1 to 6-1 on track, versus 12-1 to 16-1 for gasoline), results in
a high internal cooling action with a heavy induced air/fuel charge.

B. The average carburater calibrated for metering gasoline will not pass
an adequate volume of methanol. Therfore, carburator modification modification
is required if methanol is to be used.
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Originally Posted by RixTrix
OTC fuel additives suck because they dont tell you what is in the can, and the good stuff is not legal to distribute in the local auto parts store.

The OP wants an 8 point increase, you are going to seriously Eff up the good parts of a gas blend adding that much snake oil to it.

Octane is not the only consideration, latent heat, Specific gravity, and reed vapor pressure, are a couple of other prime considerations.

Here is some forgotten fuel technology, it comes from ancient 2 stroke karting tech, but it still applies (read in between the lines).
No, they don't tell you what is in the can. There are lots of different types of 'good stuff' that are legal for parts store distribution. Some of it you can even order by the pound online and have it shipped to your house.

The rest of what you said here is absolutely trivial.
Why? You say you are going to 'eff up' a good gas blend adding that much to it, and that latent heat, specific gravity, vapor pressure, etc are important, but then post info from a carbed kart website with LARGE percentage mixtures of things such as nitromethane as fuel. How does that not contradict your concern of 'adding that much' of something to your fuel or offsetting latent heat, specific gravity, vapor pressure, etc.

You're basically arguing against something like E85.
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There is another method, use Nitro Propanol.

This fuel mixes with Gasoline

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Originally Posted by Pantera EFI
There is another method, use Nitro Propanol.

This fuel mixes with Gasoline

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I've used that stuff from Klotz before.
Not exactly an octane booster...
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if I was stuck with 87 and nothing else... I would brew my own Ethanol.
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Be carefull if going the E85 route, there is no spec for water content or actual alcohol content. If you're going that route use a flex fuel sensor and a compatible tune.

E85 is the spawn of the devil, if you want to run alky get a drum of methanol, the crap that comes out of a pump is not for your race car.
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some info I've stolen over the years...

“Gasoline doesn’t burn. The vapor of the
liquid gasoline burns, and that’s extremely
important to remember when you are thinki
ng about controlling co
mbustion in a gasoline
engine”. – Steve Burns, CEO of VP Racing Fuels
But with highly volatile, high actual Reid Vapor Pressure fuel, adequate vaporization can occur with cool—even cold engines. So the
guy with the high RVP race gas is ready to go quickly after one, or even no “blips”, and benefits from having max HP from takeoff to the finish line.
We’re here to talk about fuel volatility.
“Light ends” or “front ends” are the parts of the fuel that are first to evaporate and mix with air to create a burnable mixture in the combustion chamber. It’s said that once most of the “front ends”, and enough of the “heavier” ends evaporate in the intake tract, burning can begin. Studies have shown that if the fuel is divided, simply, into light, medium and heavy components, by the time the mixture reaches the combustion chamber, 70% of the light ends have evaporated, and only 30% of the heavier
components have evaporated (thanks to Kevin Cameron who found that study last Sunday). Then, if that mixture of vaporized fuel in the combustion chamber is between 10/1 and 17/1, clean burning can begin, creating heat, and the eventual vaporization and burning of most of the rest of the fuel. And probably those “tail ends” help cool the piston, as they are the last to
evaporate when all of the oxygen has been consumed in 13/1 mixtures. If you’ve seen the Youtube videos of combustion taking place in an engine, you
can see that it’s not an explosion—it’s more like a controlled bonfire—ignition of mostly front end vapors takes place while droplets of heavier ends are still flying about, then the droplets seem to disappear as they finally become vaporized and burn as the piston continues to move through TDC and downward, and if tuning and fuel is optimal the highest pressure should occur at about 18 degrees ATC. The actual Reid Vapor Pressure of the fuel is an indication of the presence of the front ends. Simply put, RVP is the pressure exerted by front ends that have evaporated from fuel in a sealed vessel, agitated by shaking at 100F. HEAT AND AGITATION CAUSE THE FRONT ENDS TO EVAPORATE FROM THE FUEL! But lots of what evaporates at up to 100F will evaporate at room temperature, so it’s critical to 1) buy truly fresh high
RVP race gas and, 2) keep it stored in a sealed container in a refrigerator or pressurized with nitrogen gas at about half of RVP (called True Vapor Pessure).
DrumPreserve.com manufactures N2 pressurization and dispensing equipment for drummed liquids, and something like that must be used. DrumPreserve also is planning to sell portable RVP test equipment to enable racers to test their own fuel, or test fuel before purchasing it. I found and purchased a Koehler RVP test system several years ago on Ebay, to be able to test dyno customers’ fuel for “freshness” and the presence of adequate front ends,
before dyno testing/ tuning. Stale fuel, and its accompanying lean net mixtures can stick pistons without audible detonation, just by overgrowing the piston, or by heating plug ground-strap to sparkling red-hot—causing quiet preignition that quickly wrecks parts.
What I began finding with the RVP test system was that too-often,
sealed pails and drums of race gas were substandard or even dead with low, or even zero psi RVP! How can that be? Surely, the refineries/ blenders should be selling what they advertise.
Yes? No? But what happens when the fuel leaves the refineries? One
major race fuel refinery only ships bulk—rail cars and tractor-trailer tanker load
s to wholesalers. Then it’s stored in outside unsealed bulk tanks, to be resold in bulk form to retailers. In some cases, fuel is transferred into small tank trucks and delivered on a route to retailers in some geographical area. Heat
and agitation cause the loss of the easiest-to-evaporate front ends, and you can be sure that the last retailer on a delivery route in summertime gets the lowest actual RVP fuel!
And every time fuel gets handled—splashed violently from bulk tanks to delivery trucks, and then sloshed around in the delivery trucks going down the road, and splashed again into a retailers’ empty 55 gallon drums—mo
re front ends are lost! We’ve all seen shimmering vapors coming out of our cars’ fuel tanks during fillups—those are the fuel’s front ends escaping (in those states that don’t have vacuum devices on the nozzles to capture them) into the atmosphere as fuel splashes into the tank. Finally, the retailer
splashes his already half-dead race gas into new 5 gallon pails, losing even more of what’s left of the front ends. Finally, a nice “factory” seal is affixed to the cap, and all may not be well!
It is smart to test any fuel’s RVP with a home-made or commercially available HVP (Home Vapor Pressure) testing unit. Instructions for testing accurately are on the DynoTech Research.com blog. And I have Youtube videos showing RVP testing, and the proper handling/ storage of fuel (Jim Czekala, DynoTechResearch, RVP testing).
Race gas RVP is usually spec’d at 1-7 psi. Pump gas is 6 psi summer, 12 psi winter (to ensure startup in sub zero F temps). Low RVP fuel can work in race engines, but it needs lots of heat to ensure adequate vaporization. Hot-running pressure-charged four-strokes have high intake temperatures and intake velocity sometimes reaching the speed of sound, both of which help vaporize even the heaviest fuel components. But two-stroke
race engines—especially those with huge carbs or throttle bodies—deserve the highest possible RVP to ensure adequate vaporization with low intake temps (even in summertime) and relatively sluggish intake air velocity. What can we do with our stale race gas? Commercially available (from companies like Interstate Chemical) isopentane has a RVP of 22 psi, and can be added in the necessary % to bring the fuel’s RVP to the desired level. Isopentane is a common front end component in race fuel, and is the first to boil off and escape if the the fuel is stored without pressure. So we’re often just replacing what’s been lost. But the rejuvenated fuel must be then stored in FULL containers with minimal headspace for the front ends to escape to! Partial containers are awful, and the more headspace there is above the fuel,
the more that will be lost each time the cap is opened. It's very much like a partially-full two-liter bottle of soda in the fridge—what’s left after repeated openings is not very fizzy! One of the features of the DrumPreserve system is, fuel is dispensed beer-tap style from the bottom of the drum from a siphon hose inside—N2 pressure pushes the fuel out and that pressure is never released from the drum, and front ends will remain in the fuel for years. It’s also important to fill the portable container, or tank on the vehicle, gently
from the bottom of the tank with a long hose. Then, no agitation will occur. Tests here indicate that agitation from splash-filling five gallons of fuel will result in the loss of one psi of RVP! Pour the fuel gently, like you fill a glass of beer from a bottle. And don’t leave fuel it the unvented tank of any race vehicle on the way to an event in a black trailer in August! It’s guaranteed to be less volatile, or even dead by the time you arrive. The truly fanatical acers can transport their high RVP fuel in drums with DrumPreserve systems to dispense only what’s needed. Basco sells 5 gallon pails with VGII drum bungs, and those are useful. But at the very minimum, multiple small full jugs
are a good way to transport without losing the good stuff. Those invisible fuel “front ends” are crucial for maximum performance in both winter
and summer weather. And it’s smart to test the fuel to be sure that you get what you pay for, then store it, transport it, and handle it with care. No splashing allowed! Volatility is everyone’s friend, and high volatility fuel with
the highest octane must be used if maximum engine performance is to be achieved

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OK, true, it will add power and knock resistance.

My range of products, some are my inventions, includes the Pro-Fuel Manager. (panented)

Many here in So. Calif. buy my "propane" injection kit for street racing.

These kits are mainly use on Turbo/SC/NOS engines to provide additional fuel. (fifth injector)

The "kit" includes a laptop programmable ECU, wiring, software, the injector pod, (single or dual injector) lockout solenoid, and internal filter.

We know Propane (Butane) has an octane rating of 130.

There are some who use this Pro Fuel manager method for "wet" NOS as the ECU has drivers for both NOS & Fuel, Propane in this case.
NO TANK fuel is required.

Thus, in EITHER case, you have "octane booster" in a can used ONLY when high HP is requested.

The use of this product solves all above problems, at low cost, if one is willing to install a propane tank in the car.
Would you like more information ?

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If it were me I'd buy a drum and go fill it with E85, and test it. It looks like you have about a 75 mile drive to get some? For less than 20 bucks you can by a tester and check the amount of ethanol in the fuel and set your stoich ratio in your computer to match it even if you don't have a flex fuel sensor. That's all it does, measure ethanol content and adjust stoich accordingly. E85 is a love/hate thing and there are varying opinions. There are several 8 second street cars running it in my area. One guy I know is so confident that he buys it in the same place, and doesn't even test it anymore. He said he checked it for 2 and a half years, and never once had to adjust so he said F it. He pumps it and races, that's it. He drives and upgraded terminator mustang about 900 rwhp. I think ethanol horror stories are exaggerated, but have some basis. I think you need to use a little caution, making sure moisture stays out of it, but many have been successful with it. It is main stream now, whole countries are running on it, ie Brazil.

You could also petition a local fuel station to start carrying E85 as another option. If you have Speedway, Thornton's and a few others, they seem to be increasing availability of E85, and may be receptive to customer feedback asking for it.
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The guy at Boostane acted like I could send in a sample of fuel with Boostane mixed in it and they would have a 3rd party test the octane level. Thought that would be a good idea
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Default Make your own E-85 & E-90

OK, MY method IS to make MY OWN E-8x out of E-98 or E-100 (from bakers, yeast suppliers) AND mixing pump gas or race fuel.

Would it be possible to find E-100/98 in your area ?

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