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Old 10-26-2010, 07:28 PM
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Default First Rear Axle Rebuild

Well, finally got all the parts to rebuild my rear axle about 2 weeks ago, and completed the install on Sunday. New bearings/seals, Eaton 400# Diff, Moser Axles, 3.73 gears, 1/2x20 screw in studs, Ratech Solid Spacer. I took my time with everything and triple checked pinion bearing preload, etc multiple times.

Took it for a few short test drives and let it cool off each time. Heard a slight whine from it the next day, only when accelerating. I used a .036 pinion shim as advised from a reputable builder (builds high HP Impalas) The pattern looked good to me when I looked at it, but I'd like some other opinions, and also any clues to what could cause the whining. I'm out of town right now (TAD to Melbourne, FL for 4 days) and plan on checking things out again and checking the pattern when I get back to VA.
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Old 10-26-2010, 10:10 PM
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always start with the original pinion shim,, what was your pinion shim that came out of the rear?

what did you set your pinion bearing pre-load at?
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There's never a "set" number for shims no matter if you're working on identical cars or components. Even from factory identical vehicles could vary several thousands on the pinion shims.

For YOUR specific rearend, you can START with the original shim, but there's no guaranty that's going to be your final amount, especially with aftermarket components.

Hopefully someone with experience can give you advice with the pattern. It's a little hard to discern, i'm wondering if you applied a slight load while tracking it.

You might also list pinion preload, carrier preload, back lash, and even brand of gears.
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looks a bit deep to me.
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Thanks guys. The original shim I pulled off was .036 as he said, so I just measured it out with new shims and put it in.

Pinion bearing preload-28in/lb
backlash-~.010 (if i remember correctly)
Gear brand - OEM GM 3.73s w/ ABS Reluctor
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i dont think you got original gm gears,, what did you pay for them?,, because gm gears run about $500+ just for the ring and pinion.
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http://www.neweraperformanceparts.co...&PKV=gm0e410|0
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i really dont think those are the same gm gears you buy over the counter at your local gm dealer. i know it says they are,,
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I got these from a guy that went with 4.10s. They were in the box, had a GM part number on the box and all.
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so they are used gears?
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Actually no. He said they hadn't been installed yet. He figured 4.10s would work better with his tire height
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it's hard to say from your pictures but it looks ok

contact about midway
and the feathering edge end cut off looks ok

btw some gears are just noisey than others
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I just realized how blurry the pictures were. I'll take some more when I get back to VA tomorrow.
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also, i think the only gears i know that call for a .010 backlash are richmond. Don't most others call for something between .005-.009?
Someone please correct me if i'm wrong.

And there is a difference between Motive GM gears and Genuine GM gears. But not to worry cuz most would agree Motive is better quality, and Genuine GM is ridiculously expensive.
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Pattern is deep. I would also question the authinticity of them being OEM, that picture is not even the proper ring and pinion for this application.
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How do you figure that its not even the proper ring and pinion for this application?
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Originally Posted by GA95DCMSS
How do you figure that its not even the proper ring and pinion for this application?
The picture in the link provided of the gear set is reverse rotation LOL. Its a front ring and pinion. Plus the cut on the gears, all the new GM gears are 2 step gears, more curve to the teeth. The one mounted with the pattern is clearly a 5 step gear, traditionally used in aftermarket gears.
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You're kidding me...well, time to place another order then...FML. Gotta love deception.
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Cancel that...he was referring to the link posted earlier lol.
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FYI you need more drag on the ring gear when you turn it to see a better pattern.. i use a small pry bar to give the resistance while turning the pinion



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