View Poll Results: Will the 4th gens be valuabe some day?
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Do you think these cars will be valuable some day?
06-25-2014, 10:35 AM
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It surprises me how many people on Craigslist are trying to get 4500- 5k for an 89 iroc with faded paint, ripped up interior, stock 305 tpi engine with flowmaster catback, and 150k miles. Meanwhile you can click the next ad and pick up a 4th gen z28 in fair to good condition for 5000-6000 with comparable miles.
08-05-2014, 11:39 AM
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Future Value In 1999 I bought a new Z28 with every option. In 2002 while it was still stock, I ran 13.5 at 104 at the Bowling Green Kentucky meet. Since then I have made 51 mods...some minor...some major. However, I have kept the paint original and have every part that was removed. That is, things like the original exhaust system from the cats back to the extensions (in one piece as it came), the brake system, the cam, the water pump, the original suspension parts...etc. down to the lighter that was replaced with the exhaust cut out switch. Although it is not for sale when the time comes it will sell modified but with all the original parts. The car has averaged 300 miles per year (since 2002).
Right now I would value it at $12000 (with parts) and I would not expect that to change in the next few years. Oh yea, it has never run the 1/4 again.
Right now I would value it at $12000 (with parts) and I would not expect that to change in the next few years. Oh yea, it has never run the 1/4 again.
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08-05-2014, 01:02 PM
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Some of them already are valuable, having resold for at or near MSRP (talking about ultra-low mileage cars of the highest trim levels and/or desirable rare options.)
The average condition, run-of-the-mill 4th gen won't ever be worth big money, but it is likely near the bottom now and won't loose much more so long as it's condition is maintained. However, it seems that the top tier examples (both in terms of condition as well as desirable options) with ultra low mileage have never really lost much of their value, and are doing pretty well considering they are of the age when value typically bottoms out.
If you are looking for an investment, forget about 4th gens; really forget about cars in general since there are much better options. I don't see 4th gens ever becoming the '69 Camaros and '70 Chevelles of the future, as those cars were at the peak of performance immediately before a massive performance drought that lasted over a decade, thus making them something of a legend. 4th gens have come and gone during a time where cars continue to get faster and more powerful, so their only appeal is to those of us who are specific fans and/or those who appreciate the [relative] simplicity (though still much more complicated than an old muscle car) as compared to the cars that have come since.
The average condition, run-of-the-mill 4th gen won't ever be worth big money, but it is likely near the bottom now and won't loose much more so long as it's condition is maintained. However, it seems that the top tier examples (both in terms of condition as well as desirable options) with ultra low mileage have never really lost much of their value, and are doing pretty well considering they are of the age when value typically bottoms out.
If you are looking for an investment, forget about 4th gens; really forget about cars in general since there are much better options. I don't see 4th gens ever becoming the '69 Camaros and '70 Chevelles of the future, as those cars were at the peak of performance immediately before a massive performance drought that lasted over a decade, thus making them something of a legend. 4th gens have come and gone during a time where cars continue to get faster and more powerful, so their only appeal is to those of us who are specific fans and/or those who appreciate the [relative] simplicity (though still much more complicated than an old muscle car) as compared to the cars that have come since.
08-05-2014, 07:15 PM
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Some of them already are valuable, having resold for at or near MSRP (talking about ultra-low mileage cars of the highest trim levels and/or desirable rare options.)
The average condition, run-of-the-mill 4th gen won't ever be worth big money, but it is likely near the bottom now and won't loose much more so long as it's condition is maintained. However, it seems that the top tier examples (both in terms of condition as well as desirable options) with ultra low mileage have never really lost much of their value, and are doing pretty well considering they are of the age when value typically bottoms out.
If you are looking for an investment, forget about 4th gens; really forget about cars in general since there are much better options. I don't see 4th gens ever becoming the '69 Camaros and '70 Chevelles of the future, as those cars were at the peak of performance immediately before a massive performance drought that lasted over a decade, thus making them something of a legend. 4th gens have come and gone during a time where cars continue to get faster and more powerful, so their only appeal is to those of us who are specific fans and/or those who appreciate the [relative] simplicity (though still much more complicated than an old muscle car) as compared to the cars that have come since.
The average condition, run-of-the-mill 4th gen won't ever be worth big money, but it is likely near the bottom now and won't loose much more so long as it's condition is maintained. However, it seems that the top tier examples (both in terms of condition as well as desirable options) with ultra low mileage have never really lost much of their value, and are doing pretty well considering they are of the age when value typically bottoms out.
If you are looking for an investment, forget about 4th gens; really forget about cars in general since there are much better options. I don't see 4th gens ever becoming the '69 Camaros and '70 Chevelles of the future, as those cars were at the peak of performance immediately before a massive performance drought that lasted over a decade, thus making them something of a legend. 4th gens have come and gone during a time where cars continue to get faster and more powerful, so their only appeal is to those of us who are specific fans and/or those who appreciate the [relative] simplicity (though still much more complicated than an old muscle car) as compared to the cars that have come since.
08-06-2014, 09:15 AM
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ultimately its supply & demand. from my point of view the retail sticker price on my car was 29k, i feel since i cant replace this car cheap if it was totalled so it should be worth about 1/3 retail in good condition. (given current milage) just my one cent & im not selling anytime soon. you can buy a project for 5k, a car like mine for 10-12k or a new car for 40k. thats reality.
08-06-2014, 10:21 AM
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Some of them already are valuable, having resold for at or near MSRP (talking about ultra-low mileage cars of the highest trim levels and/or desirable rare options.)
The average condition, run-of-the-mill 4th gen won't ever be worth big money, but it is likely near the bottom now and won't loose much more so long as it's condition is maintained. However, it seems that the top tier examples (both in terms of condition as well as desirable options) with ultra low mileage have never really lost much of their value, and are doing pretty well considering they are of the age when value typically bottoms out.
If you are looking for an investment, forget about 4th gens; really forget about cars in general since there are much better options. I don't see 4th gens ever becoming the '69 Camaros and '70 Chevelles of the future, as those cars were at the peak of performance immediately before a massive performance drought that lasted over a decade, thus making them something of a legend. 4th gens have come and gone during a time where cars continue to get faster and more powerful, so their only appeal is to those of us who are specific fans and/or those who appreciate the [relative] simplicity (though still much more complicated than an old muscle car) as compared to the cars that have come since.
The average condition, run-of-the-mill 4th gen won't ever be worth big money, but it is likely near the bottom now and won't loose much more so long as it's condition is maintained. However, it seems that the top tier examples (both in terms of condition as well as desirable options) with ultra low mileage have never really lost much of their value, and are doing pretty well considering they are of the age when value typically bottoms out.
If you are looking for an investment, forget about 4th gens; really forget about cars in general since there are much better options. I don't see 4th gens ever becoming the '69 Camaros and '70 Chevelles of the future, as those cars were at the peak of performance immediately before a massive performance drought that lasted over a decade, thus making them something of a legend. 4th gens have come and gone during a time where cars continue to get faster and more powerful, so their only appeal is to those of us who are specific fans and/or those who appreciate the [relative] simplicity (though still much more complicated than an old muscle car) as compared to the cars that have come since.
But in the following 20 years the above scenario flipped over. Those older cars don't match the new cars for HP or handling. And a restored '69 Charger R/T is probably $40K to $60K. For my money give me a 1999 SS with 15K miles for $13K. Things sure have flipped. And with the LS-1's being eclipsed by more powerful engines the past 10 years, the only ones that will increase their value over time will be the most pristine and lowest production cars (the top 1-5% of what's left). The 1996-2008 collector car market was the perfect storm. I don't think those conditions will be repeated again in the next 20-30 years.
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08-06-2014, 11:49 AM
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My take on it is, the way kids are today you 1st generation Xbox will be worth more than your F body will ever be. Car enthusiast are going to be a thing of the past. These kids care less about cars.
When I was growing up... every kid had his drivers license at 16, their are kids today in their 20's that do not drive. But they can hold the sofa down and play a mean game of Mortal Combat, or whatever is popular these days.
When I was growing up... every kid had his drivers license at 16, their are kids today in their 20's that do not drive. But they can hold the sofa down and play a mean game of Mortal Combat, or whatever is popular these days.
08-06-2014, 01:44 PM
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My take on it is, the way kids are today you 1st generation Xbox will be worth more than your F body will ever be. Car enthusiast are going to be a thing of the past. These kids care less about cars.
When I was growing up... every kid had his drivers license at 16, their are kids today in their 20's that do not drive. But they can hold the sofa down and play a mean game of Mortal Combat, or whatever is popular these days.
When I was growing up... every kid had his drivers license at 16, their are kids today in their 20's that do not drive. But they can hold the sofa down and play a mean game of Mortal Combat, or whatever is popular these days.
im wondering what the average age is of someone who buys a new pony car. probably older than it used to be.
08-06-2014, 02:13 PM
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There is no longer such a thing as an "affordable" new muscle car, when affordability is defined by the younger crowd who used to be most interested in such a car decades ago. Standardization of options is part of the problem (can rarely get a stripped down, gadget-free cheap version with the best engines any more), the other part is that buyers demand a complete touring car (high end brakes, suspension, etc.), and the final part is that all of this must be wrapped up in a package that can meet current emission, MPG and crash standards. It's expensive to build a car like this, and young people with limited income and student debt are not often going to find such a car affordable when brand new.
08-06-2014, 02:55 PM
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in the early 70's you had big motors & rare / low production cars then nothing great after the 1974 oil embargo. if after 2002 all car companies stopped making 350's or larger and went 100% fuel efficient smart cars i would guess our cars would skyrocket but now bigger & faster motors not likely we'll see a big return on our hobby cars.
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