350s and 289 anyone notice.....
02-09-2007, 04:13 PM
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350s and 289 anyone notice..... Lol boy I have alot of errors in what my thread was about, im having a hard time typing.
281 Motors"
Older guys think there cars were god back then, but really if you compare what we have now, there pretty slow.
The problem is, they "think" all these new" cars would get smoked by there older much heavyer lower powerd cars.
Theres a fair amount of ignorance in the old car people........
They are amazed at what LS1 cars can do...
281 Motors"
Older guys think there cars were god back then, but really if you compare what we have now, there pretty slow.
The problem is, they "think" all these new" cars would get smoked by there older much heavyer lower powerd cars.
Theres a fair amount of ignorance in the old car people........
They are amazed at what LS1 cars can do...
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02-09-2007, 04:44 PM
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I think he was trying to say that some old timers that used to have 454s etc are telling him that becuase our newer hot rods are smaller displacement they are saying that they are slower.....I think, but yeah, slow down and type a little clearer next time 
02-09-2007, 06:24 PM
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The baby boomers hold enormous sway in the automotive world, hence the huge prices on 64-72 muscle cars.
For a lot of older enthusiasts, performance died in 73 and never returned. Try to show them that the new cars are faster and they'll spew out a bunch of crap that newer cars have no "soul". I guess an LS1 and 4.6 engine has no soul because it doesn't spew coolant at every stoplight and need the points adjusted every week.
Sometimes I can just get by telling some of them that my LS1 is a 350 and they'll just nod and go about their business, but if I said its a 346 I get the deer in the headlights look. I don't think I can get by telling people I have a Boss 429 in the cobra (because the DOHC 4.6 is almost physically as big and even looks similar if you squint put away a few beers) they'll probably see right through that.
For a lot of older enthusiasts, performance died in 73 and never returned. Try to show them that the new cars are faster and they'll spew out a bunch of crap that newer cars have no "soul". I guess an LS1 and 4.6 engine has no soul because it doesn't spew coolant at every stoplight and need the points adjusted every week.
Sometimes I can just get by telling some of them that my LS1 is a 350 and they'll just nod and go about their business, but if I said its a 346 I get the deer in the headlights look. I don't think I can get by telling people I have a Boss 429 in the cobra (because the DOHC 4.6 is almost physically as big and even looks similar if you squint put away a few beers) they'll probably see right through that.
02-09-2007, 06:43 PM
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I think the boomers are confused when it comes to computer controled cars. ignition, timming control have come a long way even sense hei . if they only knew the ease of dialing in. and for displacement like they say theres no replacement for displacement .
02-09-2007, 07:00 PM
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Take the tech of today and apply it to a gen III or gen IV crate big block fully built n/a vs a fully built n/a ls1 346 or ls2 364 and the big block will win. A engine is a air pump, anytime you can pump more air the better.
02-09-2007, 07:25 PM
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People tend to forget that tires sucked in the original muscle car era. Many of the larger displacement muscle cars would trap at similar MPHs as stock LS1 4th gens will, but their ETs stayed in the 14s due to poor traction on the tires of the day.
As for the displacement thing (346ci vs 350ci), LS1s are not the first time that people (even GM) have called a motor something it isn't. By the end of the original "big power" muscle car era, the "396ci" motors were actually 402ci, but GM continued to call them 396 since it was a popular and accepted displacement.
As for the displacement thing (346ci vs 350ci), LS1s are not the first time that people (even GM) have called a motor something it isn't. By the end of the original "big power" muscle car era, the "396ci" motors were actually 402ci, but GM continued to call them 396 since it was a popular and accepted displacement.
02-09-2007, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by RPM WS6
People tend to forget that tires sucked in the original muscle car era. Many of the larger displacement muscle cars would trap at similar MPHs as stock LS1 4th gens will, but their ETs stayed in the 14s due to poor traction on the tires of the day.
As for the displacement thing (346ci vs 350ci), LS1s are not the first time that people (even GM) have called a motor something it isn't. By the end of the original "big power" muscle car era, the "396ci" motors were actually 402ci, but GM continued to call them 396 since it was a popular and accepted displacement.
As for the displacement thing (346ci vs 350ci), LS1s are not the first time that people (even GM) have called a motor something it isn't. By the end of the original "big power" muscle car era, the "396ci" motors were actually 402ci, but GM continued to call them 396 since it was a popular and accepted displacement.
Even when arguing new vs. old, I have enormous respect for the old muscle cars, I love seeing them on the road. It wasn't until about 15 years after '72 when the '87 Fox came out that domestic performance really came back.
02-09-2007, 08:36 PM
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I really don't think the old timers frown on the cars that are out there nowadays. I think it is mostly cause they can't work on them like they could the old ones. Fuel injection and an engine that does not have a distributor is probibly scary for them, Cause they don't know what to do with that.
But I would have to give those people alot of respect, cause even though most people think the old engines are out of date, I bet 9 times out of 10 they would still build a better engine than the newer guys out there. THey know the secrets....
But I would have to give those people alot of respect, cause even though most people think the old engines are out of date, I bet 9 times out of 10 they would still build a better engine than the newer guys out there. THey know the secrets....
02-09-2007, 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by kdstang
It wasn't until about 15 years after '72 when the '87 Fox came out that domestic performance really came back.
Performance was still alive and well until the end of 1974, at least at Pontiac anyway. The '73 and '74 SD455 Trans Ams were still hauling *** even though their power ratings didn't look like the monster numbers of the '67-'70 cars. They could still run similar times as the popular '68-'72 big block cars when stock, even in 1974 with the 290hp/395tq rating. In '73 they still had 310hp.
As for the return of power, IMO that started in 1986 with the first year of the intercooled LC2/3.8L EFI Turbo Buicks. These cars had no problem running low 14s stock. The 5.7L TPI C4 Corvettes were also running low 14s in that era, reaching 270hp by 1987 with the addition of aluminum heads on the L98 motor. And the '87 GNX, with a "rated" 276hp, was running mid-low 13s. Also low 13s at 104ish MPH coming from the '89 TTA that shared the LC2 motor from the '86-'87 GNs and the turbo from the '87 GNX.
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I agree that tires are a factor. But so is weight. I LOVE old muscle cars. However, this is the new muscle car era. And to not give modern muscle its props only shows ignorance. There are only a handfull of 60-early 70s cars that could run w LS1 F-bodies, even on modern tires. Plus most the old guys that actually think thier old 307 3 speed Novas were faster than LS1s are truely just ignorant. I would think guys (like my dad and uncles) that actually had fast stuff back in the day appreciate the modern eras technology/performance. They know what a 12 et and 100 plus trap means.
02-09-2007, 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by RPM WS6
As for the displacement thing (346ci vs 350ci), LS1s are not the first time that people (even GM) have called a motor something it isn't. By the end of the original "big power" muscle car era, the "396ci" motors were actually 402ci, but GM continued to call them 396 since it was a popular and accepted displacement.
