Failed Inspection - ORY pipe
04-01-2011, 05:38 PM
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Failed Inspection - ORY pipe so my tags are dead and this is the 2nd year I've owned my LS1, well the car has no cats but also no check engine light. well I went to go get it inspected and they told me it failed the OBDII told them that my check engine light was "disabled". Basically they think someone took the bulb out. well Anyways I need to get that done but what are my options for keeping the car catless? I got it inspected last year, no problems. Someone mentioned a "mill eliminator" but when I called the performance shop, they could only get them for Ford.
How are you guys passing emissions with the OBDII?
How are you guys passing emissions with the OBDII?
04-01-2011, 05:42 PM
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I tacked some heat shields onto my ORY and got through no problem, drove home and just pulled them back off. I never bothered with o2 simulators or anything, it seems like they don't work a lot of the time so just put that $50 towards having someone tune out all the codes correctly
04-01-2011, 10:54 PM
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^^^ helpful, yeah I think thats going to be the best option. I have a theory of going to register the car a county over ( NO OBDII ). I have a my uncles address and all, just tell them I moved in with him. Could work...
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and your point is ?
04-06-2011, 11:08 AM
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Sorry to hear about your emission woes! I know the feeling!
As noted above, getting a tune to rid the OBDII issues is a MUST. Just about any good tuner could get the job done right once you explain what needs to be done. Frost comes highly recommended from many on the board and your two local options are well regarded also.
Once you get by the OBDII test, then you have to conquer your next hurdle -- the visual inspection. Many states that do OBDII testing don't "REQUIRE" a visual test however, in my experience, they almost always check under the car for cats. Not to mention, most of those guys are even more interested in "taking a look" if a muscle car pulls in with an obviously modified exhaust. I can pass OBDII all day long, however the visual is tricky!
For years I've considered tacking up a pair of heat shields on the ORY or simply adding in a pair of the "false cats".
As noted above, getting a tune to rid the OBDII issues is a MUST. Just about any good tuner could get the job done right once you explain what needs to be done. Frost comes highly recommended from many on the board and your two local options are well regarded also.
Once you get by the OBDII test, then you have to conquer your next hurdle -- the visual inspection. Many states that do OBDII testing don't "REQUIRE" a visual test however, in my experience, they almost always check under the car for cats. Not to mention, most of those guys are even more interested in "taking a look" if a muscle car pulls in with an obviously modified exhaust. I can pass OBDII all day long, however the visual is tricky!
For years I've considered tacking up a pair of heat shields on the ORY or simply adding in a pair of the "false cats".
04-06-2011, 03:40 PM
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especially if one of the inspectors gets overly curious and finds your little "trick" at least with the test pipes you can actually say you have cats when it comes inspection time, which is what, every year or 2?
04-07-2011, 12:41 PM
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Ahaha. Have I got stories! I have an ORY that is CLEARLY no catted... Just pipes. And one Borla XR-1 in the I-pipe. I had my car tuned to clear the emissions codes (AIR, EGR, and cats). So, just for fun, I go to the Mobil1 center because I know they are pretty strict and I wanted to have fun... Yeah, that was a mistake! I have about 6 of the pseudo-mechanic oil-changing morons looking at my car LIKE CRAZY. Keep in mind, I'm in S. Texas and we only have OBDII. So after all is said and done the guy is like (queue Indian voice) "You have no catalytic converter, I can not pass you." So I proceed to argue with him using the "Congratulation on keeping Texas clean" emissions sheet saying I passed. And he said they have to be visible. I said they are in the y-pipe. He finally insists I leave, failing me on 'safety equipment' with a write-in "catalytic convertot not present". Which is completely illegal. But, I'm not about to get police involved. 
Next, I go to a local inspection place called the "G-Spot"... Yeah, it's pretty ghetto. This is where things get really good. I tell the guy there the previous shop failed me because they don't think I have cats, but they are high-performance cats in the y-pipe. The kid is totally cool and tells me to come back tomorrow. I come back, he does the inspection, gets to the visual... Approaches me and is like "If you want this to pass, I'm gonna need $100." ... "Total?" "No, on top of the inspection fee. Look, man, I could lose my job!" I laughed, then yelled at him saying there is nothing illegal going on. Then some older guys comes out and starts looking at it and pulls out a "State Inspection Handbook" that might have been from 1903... He reads that if the exhaust is modified AT ALL (IE: different tips) it fails. Then he starts to questions my y-pipe. "So how do you change the catalytic converters when the go bad, huh?!" "Just drop the y, put a new one it" "THAT'S RIDICULOUS, I DON'T BELIEVE IT! THAT'S BULLSH*T!!!!" I was sick of these people, so I left. I hopped one city over (same county) the next weekend. I found someone who was cool and wanted to pass it as long as the OBD was okay. All was good, I bought the guy some Burger King, he goes to do the inspection...
And if you read any of this, read this part...
THE PREVIOUS SHOP HAD BLACK-LISTED MY CAR!
This means I had to go to the DMV about an hour away (a STATE DMV, not county) and perform a series of stringent emissions and safety inspections with a SNIFFER!
No other shop was allowed to even get past entering my car's VIN into the computer. Oh man. Luckily, I had 4 months left on my sticker (I thought I was moving, so I wanted to get it done before I left).
I came back 2 months later, and, apparently my black-list expired. THANKFULLY. I brought the guy more food and I passed with flying colors and WAY too much money later.
Moral of the story, don't go trying to pass till you're SURE you're gonna pass.
Next, I go to a local inspection place called the "G-Spot"... Yeah, it's pretty ghetto. This is where things get really good. I tell the guy there the previous shop failed me because they don't think I have cats, but they are high-performance cats in the y-pipe. The kid is totally cool and tells me to come back tomorrow. I come back, he does the inspection, gets to the visual... Approaches me and is like "If you want this to pass, I'm gonna need $100." ... "Total?" "No, on top of the inspection fee. Look, man, I could lose my job!" I laughed, then yelled at him saying there is nothing illegal going on. Then some older guys comes out and starts looking at it and pulls out a "State Inspection Handbook" that might have been from 1903... He reads that if the exhaust is modified AT ALL (IE: different tips) it fails. Then he starts to questions my y-pipe. "So how do you change the catalytic converters when the go bad, huh?!" "Just drop the y, put a new one it" "THAT'S RIDICULOUS, I DON'T BELIEVE IT! THAT'S BULLSH*T!!!!" I was sick of these people, so I left. I hopped one city over (same county) the next weekend. I found someone who was cool and wanted to pass it as long as the OBD was okay. All was good, I bought the guy some Burger King, he goes to do the inspection...And if you read any of this, read this part...
THE PREVIOUS SHOP HAD BLACK-LISTED MY CAR!
This means I had to go to the DMV about an hour away (a STATE DMV, not county) and perform a series of stringent emissions and safety inspections with a SNIFFER!
No other shop was allowed to even get past entering my car's VIN into the computer. Oh man. Luckily, I had 4 months left on my sticker (I thought I was moving, so I wanted to get it done before I left).
I came back 2 months later, and, apparently my black-list expired. THANKFULLY. I brought the guy more food and I passed with flying colors and WAY too much money later.
Moral of the story, don't go trying to pass till you're SURE you're gonna pass.
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I can pass the visual with my uncle doing the inspection at his work...( already talked to him ). but the OBD II I cannot so I'm just gonna mail the PCM to Frost.
-with that said, I have a little issue I need worked out with the PCM, when I push the clutch it, it rev's a few hundred RPM's higher, even on start-up...for a few seconds and then goes down to normal. Do yall think Frost can get that idle issue out? I need that tweaked, obviously Frost can take off the check engine light for no cats. My last question is can Frost set me up a new rev limiter? to like 6100 maybe?
-with that said, I have a little issue I need worked out with the PCM, when I push the clutch it, it rev's a few hundred RPM's higher, even on start-up...for a few seconds and then goes down to normal. Do yall think Frost can get that idle issue out? I need that tweaked, obviously Frost can take off the check engine light for no cats. My last question is can Frost set me up a new rev limiter? to like 6100 maybe?